The Voices of Courage

From VOC (about R. S. Casino Management Problems)

Voice2 — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:10:00 GMT

We are deleting this topic due to improper comments being submitted.

Our site is not the proper place for it. There may be problems there, but all we're getting are comments from disgruntled employees about 'in-house' problems, which are not tribal issues.

NC's Facility Use Agreements Law is a FIASCO!

Voice2 — Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:59:00 GMT

New topic as requested by Anonymous 3/9/2010 8:48AM.

COUNCIL MEMBERS' VOTES

Voice4 — Tue, 02 Mar 2010 05:11:00 GMT

Vote on Chief's Vetoes:
NCA 10-005    13 yes - 9 No Override failed. $300,000 for Kellyville parking lot.
NCA 10-006    14 yes - 8 No Override failed. Funds for 3 communities $154,600 +.
NCA 10-016    18 yes - 3 No Override passed. Capstone Counseling/Consulting. $2,000.
NCA 10-018    11 yes - 11 No Override failed.  Program, audits & legal for Holdenville. $178,343.
NCA 10-020    17 Yes - 5 No   Override failed. Funds for Citizen rent hardship. $2,410.
NCA 10-029    20 Yes - 1 No. Override passed. Homeownership to elderly FB. $1,798,949.

Word is that those bills they failed to override will be brought back ASAP.

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VOC: What is citizens' input on the following legislations which were approved by council? Let the Chief's office know how you believe he should handle, VETO or SIGN. Due by Tuesday 3/9/2010. FAX 758-1434 & Tele 732-7605.

NCA 10-024 Amend. Title 17 - Bd of Trustees & Officers, for ExOfficio to Trade & Commerce
NCA 10-026 Approp. $15,00 - for cook position
NCA 10-027 Approp. $185,114.98 to Checotah, Eufaula & Duck Creek communities
NCA 10-030 Amend. Title 28 - Designate complex area for fire pit, cornstalk platforms & games.
TR 10-006     Business lease to VGT Gaming to benefit Tulsa Community
TR 10-010     Tribal Membership to NIGC Association
TR 10-016     Donation of MCN flag to OK Agribusiness Dev. - for display
NCA 10-025 Expend. of program Inc. for PR Dept.

Let's give our input to the Chief as soon as possible - VETO or Sign

Special Tribal Activities for Citizens

Voice4 — Tue, 02 Mar 2010 04:52:00 GMT

VOC has moved this comment to a new topic - Submitted by Anonymous 3/1/2010 9:43PM

This question is about the Challenge Bowl: Did anyone besides myself notice the few people that volunteered this year, was this their choice or their director? I heard that McIntosh would not let the childcare dept. volunteer because it is a federal program. It is awful funny that they were able to participate from the very beginning and nothing was said. It is a shame because these kids study hard to enter this and this is what it is suppose to be about, the kids. At one time the Chief and Mr. Sumner spoke in favor or everyone participating until you know who came along and he started to say that it took too much time away from work. What is the difference in someone taking 5 smoke breaks a day or walking for 30 min. Our kids are our future, this is stupid that the Chief allows this to happen. He was there and I am sure he saw how important this was to the children that were there, but then does he even care anymore. Also what happened to the Creek speakers that should have participated, don't they get 50 cents an hour more because they can speak the language? also we signed a contract that said they would help out in the challenge bowl, I think that if they didn't than this should be taken away from them or they should be fired. A big thank you to the people of Jom, they really worked hard to make it go as scheduled. Solution: Get rid or these people that don't care about what we are doing for the children, it has been said that mcintosh once said that her children better not ask her for anything because she would not help them, what kind of person is this that is over depts. that are to help people?

FOR "CITIZEN INPUT" TO CHIEF'S OFFICE

Voice4 — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 04:28:00 GMT

NEW TOPIC PLEASE - GET READY FOR "CITIZEN INPUT" TO CHIEF'S OFFICE
As requested by Citizen Alert - 2/28/2010 8:22PM

Council passed 2 bills that appropriate our $: 1.) Passed funds for a cook position for the Elderly Nutrition program (not tribal program) - Who is this Chef/Cook that gets his/her job funded all the time? ($15,000.00) and 2.) Passed funds for Checotah, DuckCreek & Eufaula ($185,000.00). They are slowing down a bit on spending our money but why are these 3 communities the only ones that keep asking for money? And yes the Council voted to have a rep. on the Tribal Trade & Commerce Board. Well lets see what Chief does with these bills.

VOC: What is citizens' input on the following legislations which were approved by council? Let the Chief's office know how you believe he should handle, VETO or SIGN. Due by Tuesday 3/9/2010. FAX 758-1434 & Tele 752-4901.

VOC: What is citizens' input on the following legislations which were approved by council? Let the Chief's office know how you believe he should handle, VETO or SIGN. Due by Tuesday 3/9/2010. FAX 758-1434 & Tele 732-7605.

NCA 10-024 Amend. Title 17 - Bd of Trustees & Officers, for ExOfficio to Trade & Commerce
NCA 10-026 Approp. $15,00 - for cook position
NCA 10-027 Approp. $185,114.98 to Checotah, Eufaula & Duck Creek communities
NCA 10-030 Amend. Title 28 - Designate complex area for fire pit, cornstalk platforms & games.
TR 10-006     Business lease to VGT Gaming to benefit Tulsa Community
TR 10-010     Tribal Membership to NIGC Association
TR 10-016     Donation of MCN flag to OK Agribusiness Dev. - for display
NCA 10-025 Expend. of program Inc. for PR Dept.

Let's give our input to the Chief as soon as possible - VETO or Sign

MESSAGE TO MY COUNCIL MEMBER(S)

Voice2 — Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:20:00 GMT

New topic as requested.

Every one of you can write a message to YOUR council rep.

MCN government cutting back 10% of its budget.

Voice5 — Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:28:00 GMT

Moderator NEW Topic please.

2/24/10 In addition to the 10% cut-back posted here, the Chief has issued an Exec. Order of a "SPENDING & HIRING" FREEZE, effective today, for all Executive Branch - Tribally Funded Employees.

NOW, COUNCIL DO YOUR PART. SATURDAY, IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT OUR TRIBE, YOU WILL VOTE NOT TO APPROVE ANY SPECIAL APPROPRIATIONS. WE ALL HAVE TO SACRIFICE - NONE OF THE NOTIONS OF THE PAST, THAT "LET'S GET MORE MONEY FROM THE TRIBE" MENTALITY or THAT WE ARE "ENTITLED" MENTALITY. CUT BACK ON YOUR "FOR THE COUNCIL'S OPERATIONS" SPENDING TOO.

NC MEMBERS - FAX & MCN Cell Phone No.'s

Voice4 — Mon, 22 Feb 2010 04:28:00 GMT

Council's FAX No.	918-756-6812	Tele. No. 918-758-1410
NC Member	FAX No.	Cell No.
Ade	405-379-3253	918-520-8166
Alexander	918-485-3666	918-510-4658
Anderson		918-237-1417
Barnett	918-367-3964	918-520-9164
Beaver	918-683-2943	918-510-4609
Bruner	918-455-0870	918-671-1109
Dornan	918-616-4302	918-237-9659
Fife		918-510-4636
Greene		918-520-7027
Hill	918-324-5499	918-384-9126
Hufft	918-286-1798	918-384-9063
Jennings		918-510-4661
Johnson	918-733-2360	918-694-2846
Jones	918-689-2838	918-384-9139
LaGrone		918-510-4629
Medina		918-403-9420
Nichols	918-756-6703	918-384-8573
Proctor	918-657-2246	918-384-8528
Ridge	918-445-4947	918-520-9161
Scott	918-623-0150	918-520-6149
Thomas		918-384-8795
Tiger	918-367-3701	918-384-8427
Williams	N/A yet	N/A yet
Willits	918-447-0593	918-520-9725
Wind	405-452-3435	918-520-9153
Yahola		918-906-1273

Information taken from NC's web page and may be outdated, being last year's information, except for Tiger & Thomas. Some members have no fax # listed. We assume the cell #'s are MCN issued phones. If you call them & get no answer and you leave call-back info and they don't call you back, keep a record of who and date.

1st PETITION for BETTER GOVERNMENT - for TERM LIMITS

Voice4 — Fri, 19 Feb 2010 05:33:00 GMT

New topic as requested 2/18/10 3:42PM by Anonymous.
THIS IS THE FIRST OF FIVE PETITIONS SCHEDULED FOR CIRCULATION.

Shortly, the following terms limit petition sponsored by the Muscogee (Creek) Citizens for Better Government will begin making its rounds. Three hundred and sixty-nine (369) current registered voters are required to get the Muscogee (Creek) National Council Terms Limits Act on a Special Election ballot. This number represents eight per cent (8%) of the total number that voted in the last election for Principal Chief, of which 4605 cast ballots. Proposed Amendment A59 states the following: “Measures referred to the People by initiative shall take effect and be in force when approved by a majority of the votes cast thereon and not otherwise.”

The essential point of the petition is as follows:
This measure amends Section 2 of Article VI of the Constitution of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation by adding a subsection (e). Currently, there is no limit to the number of terms a person may serve as a National Council Representative. This amendment is the same as the Constitutional number of terms allowed to be served by a Principal Chief and thereby makes all elected officials number of terms they can serve in office the same.

Ballot Title: Muscogee (Creek) National Council Term Limits Act

BE IT ENACTED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE MUSCOGEE (CREEK) NATION:

SECTION 1. a proposed amendment to Section 2. Article VI of the Constitution of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation; adding (e) No person shall serve in the office of National Council Representative more than two (2) consecutive terms for which he/she is elected and no person shall serve more than two (2) terms if not consecutive. A partial term shall not count as a full term.

SECTION 2. The Principal Chief shall submit this proposed Constitutional Amendment to the citizen voters at a Special Election within 90 days for their approval or rejection, as and in the manner provided by law, the following proposed amendment to Section 2 of Article VI after subsection (d) of the constitution of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation to read as follows adding:

(e) No person shall serve in the office of National Council Representative more than two (2) consecutive terms for which he/she is elected and no person shall serve more than two (2) terms if not consecutive. A partial term shall not count as a full term.

CHIEF vs GAMING COMMUNITIES - STILL IN COURT!?

Voice2 — Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:19:00 GMT

NEW TOPIC AS REQUESTED by gamingcommunitycitizen 2/14/10 10:19AM.

What is the job of Attorney General?

Voice2 — Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:15:00 GMT

VOC has been asked the question many times . We would like some of your thoughts and knowledge on the issue.
What brings this question up is that some of us citizens have brought details of tribal problems to him, and he has brushed us aside saying it was not an item for the AG's office.

VOC has related in the past that Mr. Wiley's real purpose appeared to be working for and protecting the Council. It appears to be coming true.

CIVILITY for our WEB BLOGS

Voice4 — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 04:48:00 GMT

From VOC

Please folks: There is no topic called "Eli" nor "Need to have MCN Residency".
We are all concerned about MCN & we want participation in our tribal government.

We graciously request that you all keep personal insults out of your comments. That doesn't contribute anything to our topics.

We don't want to delete or ban anyone.

2010 NC Appropriations (will be updated as needed)

Voice2 — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:02:00 GMT

NCA 10-005    Kellyville Community Parking Lot                                    $300,000.00    Hill
NCA 10-006    Checotah Comm. - Personnel (9) & Office Exp.             $55,000.00    Dornan
                          Duck Creek Comm. - Personnel (7), Stipends & Off. Exp. $53,214.98    Dornan
                          Eufaula Comm. - Personnel (5) & Off. Exp.                     $46,400.00    Dornan
NCA 10-007    Citizen - Rent & Medical Supplies                                       $2,002.00    Medina
NCA 10-008    MCN School Clothing Prog. - 6 Personnel                   $107,521.00    Anderson
NCA 10-010    4-yr old Non-Citizen - Unpaid Burial Exp.                          $3,150.00    Barnett
NCA 10-013    MCN Social Svcs Prog. - Food for Funerals                   $35,000.00   Anderson
NCA 10-014    Property into Trust - Dustin                                                $10,000.00    Yahola
NCA 10-015    MCN Planning Dept. - Personnel & Off. Exp.                $130,142.00    Ridge
NCA 10-016    Capston Counsel. & Consult. Group - Donation             $2,000.00    Medina
NCA 10-018    Holdenville Comm. - Education, Progs. & Legal         $178,343.00    Ade
NCA 10-020    Citizen - Past & Current Rent                                               $2,410.00    Beaver
NCA 10-023    MCN A. G. - Litigation against State                                  $40,000.00    Alexander
                                                                                                TOTAL:             $965,182.98

These are the appropriations approved at last NC meeting, immediately after the Chief had
outlined in his State of the Nation report that we were running very short on income. These
are the bills which the Chief would like our Citizens' input on, if we would advise him to
VETO or not.

Chief's 2010 Policy - Responsibility and Accountibility

Voice2 — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:25:00 GMT

New topic, as requested.

Moderator, please start a new topic with these attached Links...
I am very happy with Chief Ellis new policy of responsibility and accountability started for 2010.

http://premium.fileden.com/premium/2008/2/18/1765574/CitizensFeedbackJan2010.pdf

http://premium.fileden.com/premium/2008/2/18/1765574/VotingNotes(QrtlyMtg).pdf

Department of Justice Press Release

Voice5 — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:38:00 GMT

Request for new topic:

Cheyenne-Arapaho Tribal Officials Convicted of Conspiracy and Embezzlement from the Tribe

http://oklahomacity.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel10/ok020410.htm

AMENDMENT NEEDED for COUNCIL

Voice2 — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:56:00 GMT

VOC is putting this topic out, although it would be just another policy or law that would simply be ignored or trashed. A Code of Conduct is a self-policing of actions, mostly based on ethics and laws, possibly with common sense thrown in. That is the reason we think any such code would be ignored or trashed.

State and Condition - Complex Tribal & Housing Buildings

Voice2 — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:48:00 GMT

New Topic Subject Suggestion, as requested by Anonymous 2/5/2010 - 5:44AM.

The . I'd like to see a laundry list of the conditions within the buildings where employees (in theory) spend 8 hours a day, five days a week.

Employee Lay-Offs & Paid Education

Voice2 — Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:44:00 GMT

New topic, as requested by not equal, 1/28/2010 7:42 AM

For Love of the Game - 2nd Verse

Voice2 — Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:40:00 GMT

New topic, as requested.

NOTE: We have been through this a lot in the past. Let's keep it from being hear-say only. We do know of a few other facts, which will stay tabled for now.

CITIZENS' RIGHT TO KNOW? - TRANSPARENCY IN GOV'T?

Voice2 — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:25:00 GMT

In looking up the "Status of Legislation" on the Council's webpage, we note that the last record posted was the B & G Meeting of September 17, 2009.
What has happened to October, November and December legislations?

We have heard talk that the new speaker has stated that the citizens will not hear anything until the council has voted on any legislation or has made their decisions. Is this what is happening, although those have been voted on? What is the Speaker's personal agenda if he has made that decision. No transparency? Don't want us citizens to know or find out what he's up to?