31 thoughts on “Speaker Tiger responds to health layoffs”

  1. Brenda Golden had a “made up” position under Tiger’s administration. She’s bitter because she’s no longer paid a high salary and do nothing. George had a lot of jobs for his entourage. Just a total waste of money.

    1. In the Okmulgee Times her court case was advertised !!It is not the Chief that needs to be filed against it is the Council!!

  2. I would like to give kudos to the citizens who can see through the negativity and ugliness from George tiger, his family and followers who are just trying to get crap started.
    They are only trying to get the ground work laid so they can start to weasel if their way back in. Apparently he’s having a hard time finding other entities to line his pocket.
    Somebody give me the total on how much Francis health care cost the tribe and she didn’t pay a dime.
    I am so thankful for the educated citizens that can see the big picture and understand the reason behind the layoffs. Chief Floyd inherited a HUGE mess, and we all knew this. It’s going to take some time but I believe he is a man that could get it done. Of course he could get it done faster if he would lay off all Tiger supporters who are not there for the good of the nation and just there to keep our nation in turmoil.

  3. I read the response from Speaker Lucian Tiger on the MCN Face Book page…I was disappointed that there was no apology from the National Council but rather a blame toward the Muscogee Nation Health Department…he said the health department purchased two hospitals and a nursing facility…
    For those of us who know our laws and constitution, we know that this is impossible according to tribal law….read Article VI of the Consitition…ARTICLE VI – [Legislative Branch]
    [annotations to Article VI]
    “Section 1. The Muscogee (Creek) Nation, as it geographically appeared in 1900, shall be divided into eight (8) districts corresponding namely with the Counties of Creek, Hughes Seminole (Tukvpvtce), McIntosh, Muskogee, Okfuskee Seminole, Okmulgee, Tulsa, and Wagoner Rogers/Mayes, in whole or portion thereof.
    Section 2. All legislative power herein shall be vested in the Muscogee (Creek) National Council, which shall consist of one (1) House with two (2) representatives from each district elected. Each eligible voter of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation shall be allowed to vote for each and every National Council Representative. There shall be no district residency requirement for eligible voters. And further that the number of National Council Representatives will be set at a maximum of sixteen (16) members and additional seats may not be added without constitutional amendments.
    (a) Each representative shall be elected by a vote of all the eligible voters of the Nation and shall hold office for four (4) years. Beginning with the first election after this Article is effective, there is to be an election for one (1) council representative from each district. These eight (8) seats shall be designated seat B. Those council members currently at mid-term shall serve the remainder of their term or two (2) years. The second election after this Article is effective is to be an election for one (1) council representative from each district. These eight (8) seats shall be designated seat A.
    (b) Each representative shall be a legal resident of his/her district for one full calendar year, prior to filing for office and shall be required to be an actual full time resident within that district for the term of office. When the representative ceases to be an actual resident of the district, they disqualify themselves as a representative of that district.
    (c) No person shall be a representative who has not attained the age of eighteen (18) and hold full citizenship, nor has a felony conviction within the past ten years (10) years as of date of filing for candidacy or has ever been convicted of a felony crime against the Muscogee (Creek) Nation in a court of competent jurisdiction.
    (c) No person shall be a representative who has not attained the age of eighteen (18) and hold full citizenship nor has a felony conviction within the past ten (10) years as of date of filing for candidacy, in a court of competent jurisdiction. [Amendment A___ (NCA 15-139) was ratified by two-thirds of the participating electorate in accordance with M(C)N Constitution, Article IX, Section 1.(a)(2), on November 7, 2015, by a vote of 3,477 to 680.]
    (d) The Muscogee (Creek) national Council shall elect from their numbers a Speaker, who shall preside over the Muscogee (Creek) National Council but shall have no vote unless the National Council be equally divided, and they shall choose a Second Speaker, who shall preside in the absence of the Speaker.
    Section 3. The term of office shall begin at the first meeting of the National Council following the first day of January and the oath of office shall be taken at the first meeting.
    Section 4.
    (a) A majority of the members of the Muscogee (Creek) National Council shall constitute a quorum to do business. A smaller number may adjourn or compel the attendance of absent members in a manner and under such penalties to be prescribed by ordinance.
    (b) The Muscogee (Creek) National Council shall judge of the returns and qualifications of its members, determine the rules of its proceedings, penalize its members for disorderly behavior and, with the concurrence of two-thirds (2/3) of the National Council, expel a member from a meeting.
    Section 5.
    (a) The Muscogee (Creek) National Council member shall receive a compensation for his services, to be prescribed by ordinance and paid out of the Treasury of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation.
    (b) The Muscogee (Creek) National Council shall choose its own secretary whose compensation shall be provided by ordinance.
    (c) No Muscogee (Creek) National Council member shall, during their term of office, be appointed to any civil office under the authority of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation or such office which shall have been created or the emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time; and no person holding any elective, appointive, or any other office whether compensated or not under the Muscogee (Creek) Nation shall be a member of the National Council during their continuance in office.
    Section 6.
    (a) Every bill which shall have passed the Muscogee (Creek) National Council, before it becomes ordinance, shall be presented to the Principal Chief of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation. If he approves, he shall sign it; but, if not, he shall return it with his objections to the Muscogee (Creek) National Council, who shall enter the objections at large on their journal and proceed to reconsider it. If, after such reconsideration, two-thirds (2 3) of the full membership of the Muscogee (Creek) National Council shall pass the bill, it shall become an ordinance. In such cases, the vote shall be determined by yeas and nays, and the names of the person voting for and against shall be entered on the journal of the Muscogee (Creek) National Council. If any bill shall not be returned by the Principal Chief within ten (10) days, Sundays and holidays excepted, after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be an ordinance as if he had signed it.
    (b) Every order, resolution, or other act intended to reflect the policy of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation shall be submitted in accordance with the rules and limitations prescribed in case of a bill.
    (c) Every ordinance, order, resolution, or other act intended to reflect the policy of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation shall be stamped with the Seal of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation and be signed by the Principal Chief of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation.
    (d) If any National Council meeting is cancelled for “lack of a quorum,” each absent member of that committee shall be personally fined $175.00 for the cancelled meeting. The Speaker of the National Council shall be responsible for the collection of fines.
    Section 7. The National Council shall have the power (subject to any restrictions contained in the Constitution and laws of the United States of America) to legislate on matters subject to limitations imposed by this Constitution as follows:
    (a) To promote the public health and safety, education and welfare that may contribute to social, physical well-being and economic advancement of citizens of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation.
    (b) To negotiate with Federal, State, and local governments and others.
    (c) To manage, lease, prevent the sale of, dispose or otherwise deal with tribal lands, communal resources or other interest belonging to The Muscogee (Creek) Nation or reserved for the benefit of such Nation.
    (d) To authorize and make appropriations from available funds for tribal purposes. All expenditures of tribal funds shall be a matter of public record open to all the citizens of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation at all reasonable times.
    (e) To enter contracts on behalf of the Nation with any legal activity that will further the well-being of the members of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation.
    (f) To employ legal counsel.
    (g) To borrow money on the credit of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation and pledge or assign chattels of future tribal income as security therefore.
    (h) To lay and collect taxes within the boundary of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation’s jurisdiction from whatever source derived.
    (i) To create authorities with attendant powers to achieve objectives allowed within the scope of this Constitution.
    (j) To exercise any power not specifically set forth in this Article which may at some future date be exercised by the Muscogee (Creek) Nation.
    Section 8. The citizens of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation reserve to themselves the power to propose laws, and to enact or reject the same at the polls independent of the National Council, and also reserve power at their own option to approve or reject at the polls any act of the National Council. The First Power reserved by the citizens of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation is the initiative, and eight (8) percent of voters who voted in the last General Election for the office of the Principal Chief shall have the right to propose any legislative measure, and every such initiative Petition shall include the full text of the measure so proposed. Initiative Petitions shall be filed with the Secretary of the Nation, addressed to the Principal Chief, who shall submit the same to the citizen voters at a Special Election unless there is a General Election within 90 days. The National Council shall make suitable provisions for carrying into effect the provisions of this Amendment. The veto power of the Principal Chief shall not extend to measures voted on by the People. Measures referred to the People by initiative shall take effect and be in force when approved by a majority of the votes cast and not otherwise.”
    it is really disturbing that he would say the heath department purchased these hospitals and nursing facilities…IT WAS AN ACT OF THE NATIONAL COUNCIL…do I need to post the legislation that approved these purchases….at what point will the citizens get an apology for placing us into outrageous debt including the expansion of River Spirit without any input from 81 thousand members of the tribe….16 Creeks place us in this predicament…at what point will we know how much debt we are in…is it now 500 million or 600 million…at what point was it decided to leverage the permanent fund without the approval of 81 thousand Creek citizens…you guys remember when the permanent fund was untouchable, now its own by Merrill Lynch and other banks until we are out of debt….in my opinion certain council members are the ones who need impeaching!

    1. Very well said! Our Council members are nothing short of thieves themselves, to rob tribal members is a disgrace!
      Do they sleep at night?

    2. I remember when Eli wrote on his Facebook page that he considered all the national council his friends. What changed?
      I remember Eli writing about how George Tiger visited him weekly, does James Floyd not do that?

      1. Remember when George and Francis was so far up Eli’s backside and they were up his.
        He praised every step they took. Applauded them all the way to the bank.
        He will ride on shirt tails of the NC if it got him Grand Marshall of the parade again.

        1. I’ve never been a fan of Mr. Grayson. But he’s right on this one. The council should be equally to blame for the debt, they approved every penny of it without blinking an eye or asking good questions.
          They can’t back away and act dumb now. This is on them too. Which council members voted against these? That would be good to know.

          1. They are just trying to distract people from blaming them, they know are responsible. They are only worried about keeping their big salary and benefits and staying in office. Once again throwing citizens under the bus.

  4. Francis, remember when Your husband embarrassed himself with the affair. How your daughters were running this woman off the road. Yes you forgave him. But , don’t try to put him on a peddle stool , he is not worthy by no means. He had lied , to creek nation citizens and though he didn’t spend this money alone. He did spend it. Come on, Floyd is having to fix something thatvwas already spiraling out of control when he took office. You the citizens with this impeachment knew it. You told this at the meetings before election. You the citizens knew whoever was gonna take office had a long road ahead. You have no clue what the Tiger administration did. But now you do! Wake up ! If Floyd gets the tribe back on track and he will, if you let him do his job, these let go may have a chance to come back. Just give it a chance. And stop listening to Frances And her bunch. They are the ones that helped lie and cheat and put you in this mess!

    1. Again, why is she even voicing her ignorant lying opinion?
      Go away Frances and take thief George with you, and don’t forget your extended family, take them too!

    2. Exactly! I won’t be signing it either. George Tiger, Frances and the council members who sold their souls to Tiger for $$$ are the ones who should be held accountable for this massive debt the tribe is facing. They all contributed…even though I am sure Tiger and his lady benefited the most from all the crooked deals while selling out tribe down the river. I am waiting for them to prosecute Tiger and all who were complicit. While I don’t agree with all of Floyd’s methods, he was more fair than Tiger was when he took office. Tiger flat out fired people who wouldn’t bow down to him. In my opinion Floyd should have weeded out the Tiger followers on his first day in office, but he was trying to be fair. Well, that has not served him well, as these people are now turning on him. Evil will always be evil. I pray that God will give Floyd the wisdom to turn this tribe around and save our struggling health system. I support Chief Floyd. I have been laid off before and had to find another job. Life happens. Hopefully some of these people can come back if they really want to work for the tribe. If they don’t , then so be it, I wish them well.

  5. God please lift the Nation during this time. No need for impeachment, you all should be supporting our Chief. A real man will do what is necessary to support and fight for his family. Open your eye and heart to the positive steps he is taking and take your unpleasant voices and thought to the river and cleanse your soul. These measurements are necessary due to the mismanagement of the Nation,….

  6. There is a petition just beginning that declares Chief Floyd irresponsible and unfit to lead the Creek Nation. I urge every single one of you to sign it.

    1. Why hasn’t Golden went after some members of the Council while she’s flagrantly after our Chief? If your going to stir the pot, get a bigger spoon! This mentality of yours is a GT scheme
      once again.

    2. Give a good reason why. . .If you’re blaming him for George Tiger’s mistakes, I think you need to reevaluate your thinking. When someone is trying to fix the problem and has to lay-off employees is not a good reason. I’ve been layed off a job before, but instead of crying the blues, I found a better job that paid me more. If there’s anyone to blame it’s yourself. Knowing there was going to be a lay-off, you should have been looking for something else.
      As I see it, its being fueled by George’s supporters, his wife and disgrutled people.

      NO, NO, NO, I as a Creek citizen will not sign such a petition.

  7. Devastating hundreds of workers with upwards of thousands of people affected by a mass firing with no severance package, no insurance, no humanity, and no wisdom. Never in tribal history have so many people been shamed and humiliated. There is a lack of reasoning, empathy, and intelligence with this administration. The Creek Nation Division of Health serves more chronically ill people who suffer multiple simultaneous health problems in one year than a non-indian medical clinic processes in ten years. Heart disease, diabetes, poverty, and lack of education contributes to the severely compromised health of our citizens. The LAST PLACE to cut corners is the Health Division !!! They are beyond overworked even before the firings. Anybody who is naive to the amount of care being provided needs to listen up and anybody who denies the urgency of the Health Division isn’t worthy of holding office. Whoever fired those workers must be fired themselves !!! This isn’t about politics. It’s about saving the lives of a rapidly dwindling population of Creek Indians who are dying from treatable diseases !!!

    I want to make this as clear as possible to everyone.

    The mass firings of Health Division employees recently conducted by the administration of Chief Floyd is directly responsible for the immediate danger of mass extinction of Creek Indians.

    Impeach this cowardly administration before they do irrevocable damage.

    1. The worst part about the loss of all these jobs is the health care quality has already went down hill. You are now only allowed 8 minutes with a doctor. How’s that supposed to be quality healthcare?! If you have chronic illness, 8 minutes doesn’t cover it. There’s not even enough time to talk about and renew all needed prescriptions. I’m thankful that I am just in between health insurance momentarily, but I can’t help but feel for all of the chronically ill who will suffer because we are not able to give them the medical care they need.

    2. I agree with your post because how can they really expect quality healthcare and layoff/fire the providers who are giving it. And how come the same officers that were in the last administration still hold offices in the present office seems they should have been removed or at least demoted because I’m pretty sure they didn’t just have their heads stuck in the sand.

  8. Appreciate the info from the Speaker however I am still at a loss regarding their blind faith in the financials that weren’t produced by Seneca. How they could blindly follow George and Seneca over the cliff and spend the Health System money like they did I will never understand. I didn’t when they were doing it. I realize we are going to be working for years to overcome the massive debt we are under all the while continuing to provide health care to our patients. It does not help anything for people to lie and say that hundreds were fired or forced to resign. It was a layoff. It was not illegal. It was sad, confusing, heartbreaking. But not unexpected to anyone. We were told it was going to happen. We all knew a consultant had been hired to come in and reorganize our system. In your own business you couldn’t keep throwing money into a project that was costing you millions with no growth. Be honest you couldnt. We ran the risk of losing the entire health system had we continued the course Tiger had us down. I don’t know how it’s going to end, but without our deliberate intentions of fixing it we will fail.
    We have to come together to deliver the best possible health care we can by working together.

    1. You talked about losing money, what about woody andersons dept. He doesnt know how to run a lemonade stand yet the tribe continues to give him money. Every time he was asked to show proof of his big shot doings he would say i have it but would never never bring it to the table. Gid rid of his $200,000 job and his secretary too.

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