Should Something Be Done about "Double-Dippers"?

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Posted by Voice4 at 1/23/2012 10:06 AM
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  • 1/23/2012 10:21 AM Nakose wrote:
    THAT IS A DILEMMA. MANY NEED THE EXTRA SINCE THEIR TRIBE DOESN'T ALLOT THEM ENOUGH BUT OTHERS HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH AND STILL DOUBLE DIP. THESE ARE THE ONES WE NEED TO WEED OUT. BUT JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE WHEN YOU START WEEDING SOME GOOT ONES GET WEEDED OUT TOO. ALL TRIBES NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN AND GIVE THEM MORE THAN ENOUGH RATHER THAN BARELY ENOUGH OR NOT ENOUGH. YES LET'S MAKE RULES JUST LIKE THE CLINICS HAVE DONE TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM DOUBLE DIPPING ON THEIR MEDICATION. COMPUTERIZE ALL DISTRIBUTIONS.
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    1. 1/23/2012 1:18 PM Wondering wrote:
      What about the "double dippers" like boy fife and little danny wind that write themselves $20,000 "severance checks" from the Duck Creek Community coffers and then never miss a day of work??? Why don't you ask Principal Thief Tiger about that since he wrote checks to his brother from the Okmulgee community?? Then ask Edwin Marshal how much he gets from Kialegee??
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      1. 1/25/2012 12:35 PM Anonymous wrote:
        So r u calling Edwin Marshall a double dipper? He sure ain't from Kialegee, he from Alabama Quarsity Tribal Town.
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    2. 1/24/2012 9:42 AM Wotko70 wrote:
      Thlopthlocco tried to get their members off Creek rolls but creek nation would not give them up.Thloptholoco could make his member's name public on the Creek papaer..I guess.
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    3. 1/26/2012 10:10 PM Anonymous wrote:
      First, writing in all caps is juvenile. If you want to stress a point try utilizing a good vocabulary. All caps makes you look like you're in junior high.

      Before we were forced to Indian Territory did we fight over who was double-dipping between the tribal towns?

      We all may share different opinions, and many of us grasp that some people take advantage of services while others do not. We all grasp that there are those,who will steal, lie and abuse the system. However; we are all Mvskoke, whether you can enroll in one of the tribal towns or not.

      Seriously people, this constant bickering over must stop. And be careful what you ask for. You may just get it. Do you really want the feds stepping in to our tribal business? Bitch and moan enough and they just might. All you will accomplish is stabbing your own.
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  • 1/23/2012 1:23 PM Anonymous wrote:
    Section 5. This Constitution shall not in any way abolish the rights and privileges of persons of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation to organize tribal towns or recognize its Muscogee (Creek) traditions.
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  • 1/23/2012 4:53 PM Jarvis Humby wrote:
    This is CLASSIC! LOL and the main reason we'll never get anywhere. Indians are always fighting to make sure nobody gets ahead or more than someone else. Ever hear the "indian crawdads" story? Ya'll be sure and make sure nobody gets ahead now! LOL...I feel sorry for you.
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    1. 1/24/2012 11:55 AM Nakose wrote:
      well dyfumby we know who's on the list of ones getting ahead or should i say kickbacks. feel sorry for yourself. your the one that is going to have to answer for it in the long run.
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      1. 1/24/2012 7:47 PM whatdidyasay wrote:
        To nakose you should quit buying that cheap dope no one can understand what your are trying to say
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        1. 1/26/2012 10:50 AM Nakose wrote:
          I'M SORRY BUT I CAN'T STOOP THAT FAR FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND.
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      2. 1/25/2012 4:59 PM Fvmbe yo mama wrote:
        see what I mean nakose? somebody disagrees with you,...CALL EM NAMES!,ACCUSE THEM OF BEING CHEATS!...anything but listen to the truth. got any more childish names to call me? now I REALLY feel sorry for you and quit buying that cheap dope! LOL
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        1. 1/26/2012 9:00 AM Nakose wrote:
          sorry i don't work for the nation so i don't need that stuff. i know more about these people i am supposedly accusing than you will ever know. i am only stating what i have seen over the years about them. believe me the facts are coming and i just hope your name doesn't come up, for your sake.
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  • 1/23/2012 11:49 PM Anonymous wrote:
    Double dippers!!!!! Well let me tell you that these funds that this heading is talking about is not just for tribal town citizens it's open to all creeks. The only funds that are limited to their own citizens are self funded programs. As stated over and over the two tribal towns located in wetumka have very little revenue generation. The programs you are talking about are funded the same way as creek nation. So lets all double dip most people are anyways they can't turn you no more than any other federal program!.
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  • 1/24/2012 9:50 AM Wotko70 wrote:
    The constitution does say that but is also says that other bands of indians are not accepted,,which means other sovereign nations not invited.
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    1. 1/24/2012 11:06 AM Oldone wrote:
      This is just like the days of removal. The us government sitting by their warm fires watching the indians fight over the scraps and crumbs from the white mans table. If I'm correct (and please let me know if I'm not) even the name that you all are so proud of "Creek" was a term that the whites in Georgia and Alabama used to describe the semi-humans that existed along the creek/river banks. Now were are defined by how much "creek" we are by the Dawes Rolls, another standard set by the white man. Has any one ever looked at an certified copy of the "Dawes Rolls"?
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      1. 1/24/2012 1:10 PM este-hoporrene wrote:
        Yes. And your point is
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        1. 1/24/2012 7:57 PM Anoymous wrote:
          seems clear to me, the oldone says were all a bunch of punks getting F___ed by the goverment duh
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  • 1/24/2012 2:45 PM Anonymous wrote:
    PLANNING SESSION JANUARY 24, 2012

    "Compensation for the National Council" is up for grabs again.

    Those part timers don't need to show up to meetings because they are merely rubber stamps for what Chief George wants out of them.

    $50,000.00 + mileage + phones + laptops +travel + whatever they want.

    VACATIONS ON THE HORIZON!!!

    Never in the history of Muscogee Nation have the citizens had less of a voice.

    INITIATIVE PETITION ????? It's the LAW.
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    1. 1/26/2012 7:10 PM mcn employee wrote:
      If you had attended the December meeting you would have heard the discussion Council had regarding this piece of legislation. It has nothing to do with raises...it's benefits (INS) for Council they were voting for. With that said, I dont believe they should receive benefits.
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      1. 1/27/2012 1:50 PM Anon wrote:
        We know they will vote for the legislation. Will it be 'gratis' or will they (NC) contribute at least 1/2 of premiums? Will this freebie end when they are off the elected positions? Or is it forever?

        I too don't believe they should even receive benefits. They say the bill is needed since the chief & 2nd chief are entitled to it & they get it, and they think the council members should have the same benefits.
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  • 1/24/2012 3:24 PM Anonymous wrote:
    There has been some question about George & Roger holding their positions if:

    1. serious malfeasance (misconduct, unlawful act)
    2. nonfeasance (failure to meet legal obligations)
    3. conviction of felony
    4. conviction of a misdemeanor involving moral turpitude (according to common standards of justice)

    Read Section 8 of the Constitution of Muscogee Nation.

    Of course the 'recall petition' may not be issued for circulation by the sponsors until the Muscogee (Creek) Nation Supreme court has determined that the facts alleged in the Petition are ture and there exist sufficient grounds for issuing a "Recall Petition."

    It takes 15% or about 3,000 of the electorate (body of voters) to recall.

    Has Chief George already committed nonfeasance & moral turpitude?
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    1. 1/26/2012 11:23 AM Nakose wrote:
      if he hasn't he will so let me know where to sign up?
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  • 1/24/2012 3:40 PM Anonymous wrote:
    Articl XII
    Section 1

    The Muscogee (Creek) People may propose and enact laws by the initiative or reject acts of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation National Council by Referendum.
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  • 1/25/2012 3:16 PM Anonymous wrote:
    how can you be a double dipper when I myself was told I could not get help from the tribe because I was from a tribal town. when your tribe (creek nation) tells you no and your tribal town cant help because of no funds, then I guess you are just shit out of luck. right?
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    1. 1/26/2012 8:57 AM Wakvs12 wrote:
      I was actually looking for an intelligent discussion on the state of the MCN but I was surely mistaken when one views the comments. Name callling, finger pointing, what the heck is going on? People (MCN citizens and others) are getting a great laugh out of all of this. Just what non-natives want!!!
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      1. 1/26/2012 10:13 PM Anonymous wrote:
        Exactly. If you read much on here then you know not to expect a respectful, intelligent and mature discussion.

        From what I can tell it is mostly a bitch session. That's too bad.
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        1. 1/27/2012 8:51 AM Nakose wrote:
          bitch session? very intelligent!
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      2. 1/27/2012 8:57 AM Nakose wrote:
        i know sounds like one of the meetings of the national council huh?
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        1. 1/27/2012 7:43 PM Fvmbe yo mama wrote:
          I know you ain't ever been to a nc session when you said that. SHUTUP YOU POSEUR! (look it boy,...or girl)
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  • 1/26/2012 8:54 AM RPP wrote:
    This just in on double-dippers:

    Lawyer for KTT casino, says various M(C)N Chartered Communities approached him about setting up house as their own federally recognized tribe.

    You know, so they can hit-up M(C)N for services AND be independent...so they can operate casinos of course.

    Wondering what ol'George has to say about the possibility of a break-up of the M(C)N on his watch?

    Quote from Tulsa World article:

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    Before a casino can be built, a tribe has to be federally recognized and must have jurisdiction over the land. In the case of the Creeks, a former confederacy of tribal towns, there are four federally recognized entities: the Muscogee (Creek) Nation and the Kialegee, Thlopthlocco and Alabama-Quassarte tribal towns.

    Whittlesey said some other tribal towns likely will seek to reorganize under the Oklahoma Indian Welfare Act but that no formal requests have yet been made.

    "I know about them because I've been consulted, but right now it's a long ways away," he said.

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    Link:
    http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=685&articleid=20120126_11_A1_Thepro731182
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