MCN Services Need Huge Improvements - All of Them
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To VOC Request for new topic. Please start a new topic for discussion of services that need to be fixed.
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Why does it take months and months to get a pair of glasses made?
Why does it take so many YEARS to get service from the MCN Housing Division?
Why do we the citizens sign up for services and wait and wait and wait???
Why do we call departments/employees, leave messages, and many calls are never returned?
Every citizen should respond with their own stories of how long they have been waiting for service.
(VOC: When GT ran for Chief four years ago, he had a run-in with Social Services, and he uttered some threats to the employees and for the department, that he would fire those employees and turn the dept inside out (documented). Keep your eyes and ears open.)
To VOC Request for new topic. Please start a new topic for discussion of services that need to be fixed.
Examples:
Why does it take months and months to get a pair of glasses made?
Why does it take so many YEARS to get service from the MCN Housing Division?
Why do we the citizens sign up for services and wait and wait and wait???
Why do we call departments/employees, leave messages, and many calls are never returned?
Every citizen should respond with their own stories of how long they have been waiting for service.
(VOC: When GT ran for Chief four years ago, he had a run-in with Social Services, and he uttered some threats to the employees and for the department, that he would fire those employees and turn the dept inside out (documented). Keep your eyes and ears open.)
I am very appreciative of all the services that the tribe provides for me(an elder) and for my family. I would like to see the elderly nutrition expanded beyond just one meal a day. I know many elders that exist on that one meal a day. On holidays and weekends they have little or nothing to eat. The new years weekend nothing was available for four days straight. If our new chief really wants to improve the lives of the tribal citizens this issue would be a good place to start.
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Ed Mclemore is still at Health, so that goes to show that he could care less about the citizens health needs! He was told at forums the trouble and problems with him and what did he say? " I didn't hire him" yet he still over there!
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Hello Elder, I am so glad you broought that food commodity up,,lasat Friday I went over to get my commodities and they did not have fresh vegetables and fruit available to me, I told the lady ther I wold not get my commodities if I cannot get fresh vergitables and fruit, I took my cell phone camera and took pictures of the emply sevees in the frsher cabinet and I took thie pictures over to see, some one and I talklled to Jeff Fife and told him that the otheor sovereign nations are coming over here and getting our food, he said the constitution gives them that privedge and I said no it does not they are not communties and do not hold a charter with creek nation, I told him when I was with Thlopthlocco I tried to get our members off Creek Nation roll and the lady is charge would not let me, I called Kialedge and they donn't know what I am talkig about???We have citizens from Thlopthloicco that come to OIC meetings and go on out trips and get money at our community....
Creek Nation is double dippping and now I hope John sullivan will look into the laws that the other Sovereign nations that are being dishonored..I still do not have my food.Thanks for bringing it up!!
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Good Grief, the Commodity Food Program is a federal program which means anyone that is enrolled in a federally recognized tribe can get assistance. If you take the feds money you have to go by their rules. Also, just because the tribal town had to foresight to organize during the Oklahoma Indian Act in 1938 and the Creek Nation didn't recognized til the 70's is no reason to pick on these true Muscogee people.
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To Janet: Mvto. The people that are harping re: the Kialegees, do not know their history nor do they know the federal guidelines and do not know that the Kialegees have had their land taken from them from the Muscogee Creek Nation.
All Muscogee citizens need to do their homework and fully realize that the Muscogee Creek Nation ripped off their own tribal members. Why accuse the white man of this same crime when your own tribe has done this? Wake up people, learn the history and quit harping and understand the plight of the Kialegees.
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The eufaula clinic has a program that lets paitents call in and have scripts mailed to them. I want to thank all the people involved in the creation of this program/idea. It is truly a great thing for us that live in the country and don't have a way to get to the clinic. But please get a bigger recorder so that we don't have to call and call and keep getting a message that the recorder is full and no more messages can be taken. I don't mean to complain but I have to walk to a neighbors house to call and it is very cold and muddy here in the winter. Thank you for this program.
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The Nation and the tribal towns need to not have overlapping services. That's one of the things that caused such an issue with the communities. If the tribal towns focused their services on elderly and children issues that were seen as gaps in some of the programs provided by the Nation it would make more sense.
Just because these tribal towns organized under the OIWA doesn't mean that they're a soveriegn in front of the Muscogee Nation. I believe that Harjo v. Kleppe establishes the Muscogee Nation as the historic tribe from the east that has soveriegn authority over all issues within it's historical jurisdiction. That includes gaming. The Nation has to concur with the tribal towns' gaming activities. To allow a town to compete with your money maker in Tulsa would be foolish and VERY short sighted. I'd expect more than a few Kialegee, Thloplocco and Alabama-C members have contacted their leadership letting them know that they have trust land that they'd love to lease to the tribal town. However, that land is held in trust under the auspices/jurisdiction of the Muscogee Nation, not the tribal town. At least that's how I read things.
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Sounds like the land rush is on. The channel 2 news has been reporting that a deal is being discussed to build another casino next to the smoke shop that Councilman Steve Bruner owns (go figure). But heck let's just wait until ground is broken to get involved then we can whine about how badly were getting treated. You better get in line before time runs out. Does anyone know how the "tribal" smoke shops came about??? Maybe it just fell out of the sky dropped from a helicopter on the way to the wedding.
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You better believe this is a possibility.
I too have a big plot of restricted land, bigger than the Kialegee or the spot of Bruner's. It will be open for developers. Just give me the money, and to hell with sovereign rights. It's my land. Creek Nation didn't help my family in their struggles to keep this plot of land.
About the smoke shops, I do know the history, but it's now time to close them all down as they are more trouble than the income (I mean the independent smoke shops, not the communities.) they give to our tribe.
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come on surly there are more greedy people out there than this what do they care about anyone else its hurray for me and forget you
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If you have seen one, you’ve seen them all
Yes, I know how it all started. I read it in the Creek bible. It says that in the beginning was bingo. And that is how all things that Creeks do began. All things that Creeks do are copied. We don’t have ideas, we copy ideas. That is how we got smoke shops, casinos, Indian taco sales, wild onion dinners, softball tournaments and jerky politicians. They came into being because they were all copied from someone who had them, and did not fall from the skies.
Indians have “bingo ideas.” the Kialegee Tribe is a recent example. They are following the bingo trail which is the first verse in the Creek bible. It works like this: some one, an outsider, who can think comes to an Indian Nation with a glowing proposition that they can make them scads of money if they sell their souls to them. Of course these money men are not talking to the citizens. They know that that they have to sell the deal to the “policy makers,” and they know they are greedy and that it will be an easy sell.
This is an old story about how money makers work. They pay off and own the leaders, and from there the money flows out of peoples hands forever until none remains. We are not poor because the Evil Ones stole it from us, but because we gave it to them. We are poor because we elect politicians with bingo minds, who don’t know how to protect their citizens.
Citizens too, have bingo mentalities. Creeks believe in elections and in the “one armed bandit’ down at the casino, and that if you pull the handle long enough, that through dumb luck you’ll get a winner. Bingo voters elect bingo politicians.
Indians have no sense of creativity, of being original, which is why we have “Indian art,” which are copies from each other’s works. If you have seen one, you have seen them all. Corrupt Indian governments copy from each other. We don’t even have what it takes to know how to steal, we have had to learn that from someone else. Hobia Tiger is learning from George Tiger.
Indian tribes have no jobs, honest leadership, or with anyone with the courage to be creative, and no one to copy. The Creek situation is not anything like the great debate about the chicken and the egg. In Creek lore, it is simple, the chicken copied how to lay an egg.
The Creek bible says that the meek shall inherit the earth, but that outsiders, like corporations and money makers with creative ideas, will inherit the mineral rights.
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Looks as if the Nation is beginning to turn it all over to the community and tribal towns. Which group will claim the old council house in down town for a casino. Citizens are beat down so bad they care nothing about what happens to their tribal Nation because if they did they would speak up against all the wrongs in the past and now.Let's wait for the white government to decide for our so called sovereign Nation concerning the jurisdiction of the Muscogee Nation.What is the great Chief of the Great Nation waiting on.Does he not have an opinion of how he feels or is he gonna say the federal government said ok there is no problem the casino is ok to build and then say I cannot do anything now,it's out of my hands.Congratulations Marcella we did it.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Does Wilma rite sound familiar?
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Today's article regarding Casino in BA
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20120110_11_A1_ULNSos261004
Thanks to Beevis & Buthead (Tiger/Barnett) the Tribe is all over the news! So much for "CHANGE IS A COMING" Tiger stated - he wants to be the solution.....not the problem. Go figure, I guess he likes to hear himself talk.
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Members of the Business and Finance committee (new name) now are:
Cherrah Ridge, David Hill, Adam Jones, Shirline Aide, & Robert Hufft
Looks like Robert will be ex-officio.
(We can now refer to the committee as B & F.)
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Hmmm, this seems like the B squad in being capable of handling our business.
Hill-coward
Jones-white
Ade-Nut!!!
Quiett: hey cherrah, I make over $60,000 come jump in my bed and we'll build a casino
Hufft: I have the XY chromosome so of course you'll be interested.
Can we just hire some bums to worry about the finances and business of this tribe.
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I am amused at the news I heard. Shirlene Aide was appointed as Sgt. of Arms for the NC but can not appear at any of the Community meetings in the Hughes county area to keep the citizens informed. Franklin Coaachman did and he's from Okfuskee county. Can you guess who cares about the citizens.
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you guys I have to give props to Shirlene Ada, in full disclosure we are both descendants of Jackson Lewis making us cousins...I watched Shirlene go through a pretty bad divorce this passed couple of years and I must say she held it together...No, I dont agree with some of her past votes on the council, however I am PROUD of her for keeping it together and running for another term while all the bad personal stuff was going on...and we as Mvskoke people have to see something wonderful in that...its makes a great testimony for Creek women that dreams can still be made possible despite circumstances...and the bad talk about the others, how does that help any of us...it does not, but if you have a suggestion that could help Creek people, go there..tells us, share it with those council members, atleast put it writing for us and hope it could be done.
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I know citizens have to wait services. But if you were related to a council member you didn't have to wait even if you didn't qualify. This would take funds/services from citizens who did qualify. If George said "CHANGE IS COMING" and everything is going to TRANSPARENCY then why hasn't he given a statement about the BA casino as Chief he gave a statement as a Council Member? Citizens are going to have to wake up and rally together to save our Nation before there are no tribal or federal funds to serve our citizens. If the BA casino is built, the Tribe will loose millions, jobs and who knows what else. George said he wanted to build a hotel at RiverSpirit Casino, Why? Will this save the Creek Nation from losing millions of dollars if the BA casino is built? What were the Kilagee Tribal members offered? A per capita payment if the casnio is built? Will George and Roger enroll with the Kilagee Tribe if a per capita payment is made? If George is the Chief of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation then he should do what is right for the Nation he represents..fight against the BA casino.
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“Transparency,” Tiger style
After commenting that an official statement on the Kialegee casino will be forthcoming after a more through study is completed, said the following:
(About the Kialegee Tribe) “I’ll just say this, they’re Creek and we’re unique. Our whole government is based around tribal towns concepts. So that’s the unique relationship”
And about the frustration residents of Broken Arrow residents, this statement:
“The best way to answer that--the frustration that they see, that I see them having, is the same frustration that we have at Muscogee (Creek) Nation. We’re trying to address that so that it can be address officially with the right information so that all of this can be on the same level.”
Wouldn’t he have made more sense if he had said: “There are known known’s; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns--there are things we do not know we don’t know?
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Another fine Creek citizen in a high ranking position. Way to go Dr. er, I mean MR. Anderson now.
http://www.okmedicalboard.org
Go to this website and put Zach Andersons name in the search. It ain't rumor when it's public record.
(VOC: Also on that web page:
Alcohol/Substance Abuse
Alcohol/Substance Abuse
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I know Dr Anderson and I think he cares about Creek people regardless of his personal problems...its unfortunate that we have to destroy our own instead of praying for their well beings...so few Creeks have become doctors...we should be making sure one of our own succeed in life dont you think...I reminded of stone story in the bible...we all have mistakes in our lives...we learn and move on...I would hope that the good citizens of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation care enough about each us and that Dr Anderson knows that Creek people have his back..Eli Grayson
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To Eli: I have been on your side of many issues that have been discussed on VOC but we need rules and discipline now more than ever. With our new leader Principal Thief Tiger recent statement to do away with the time clocks and come to work when you want to attitude only plays into his hand so when he gets caught in his corruption we will all say "O my goodness we should just steal and let steal" just like it is now. If a man or woman breaks a law then they should answer for it. People that come in late to work are stealing from all citizens that need the services.
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I totally understand your concerns here, please dont get wrong...however after talking with some employees at the MCN after the time clock cards were done away with...to them it was never about being on time with the cards...it was the yoke and control that it created...it set the tone that the administration did not trust employees to do the right thing in the first place and a lot pf people stop liking their jobs...in my own work environment I wanted to create a place for people to want to work with me..that led to people coming early and leaving late happy to be working with me on projects...the most successful companies I know dont used them at all...a good supervisor will fast find those who are not working...I then would encourage training first to see if that individual could be re-train or rehabilitated so to speak...you know we all need to be very careful not to be mean spirited about certain things a good example is alcoholism...its a decease and should be treated as such...but instead we fire those with DUIs and reticule their behavior instead of getting them the necessary help...hick we are not firing people with diabetes, which is a also a decease that can be controlled...my suggestion as a citizen is to call the Chief and ask what measures have been put in place to make sure there are no cheats...again I encourage us to work together and find the things we agree on and start from there...
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Eli I respect your views but at the same time you should maybe inquire why the time clocks were installed in the first place. There was employees from the MCN Housing division that were going to the casino down the street and spending hours on end at the machines during work hours, and it goes on and on from there. Without discipline and rules it will soon be the same thing again. I'm very sorry that there is such a "yoke" of discipline but if you rely on the "leadership" of the department "rulers" to motivate the employees you will have a very long wait. I wish for Nirvana myself but we all rely on the "real world" to provide services to our elders.
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Olemeannie I also highly respect your opinion and understand where you are coming from...in my REAL WORLD, which is hardly nirvana, I was saying what has worked for me within my company and what I know of among the most successful businesses...no one argues the need for discipline, it must happen...however its the style of it...we just disagree on the issue, only time will tell...but remember even under the time clock management, the same people who stole time continued to do so...training on how to deal with this issue must start with supervisors and managers...one thing for sure they are not putting those machines in the trash and they can always go back to them if necessary...I do encourage you to call the chief's office and request what is in place now to deal with time cheats..
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Eli pay the devil his dew. As I said before the Principal cheat is the problem not the answer. As you say only time will tell I hope your right but I doubt it. Or maybe another metaphor would apply to this administration
"The proof will be in the pudding"
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Within our division unfortuantly we have managers/supervisors who cheat on their times and some of their "friends". They have repeatedly changed their times.
Nothing they do changes my work ethics. But people being late etc does often change the amount of time patients have to wait on services. That irritates me, yes because what the cheaters do affects those of us at our station as we are suppose to be and for which we are being paid for.
And I do come in early everyday and at least 3 days a week I work 1-2 hours late and for free as am I paid salary not hourly. I come in at least one Saturday a month also. I don't gripe or complain as the job requires extra time. My supervisor does not know how much overtime many of us that are salaried work each week and thats fine. People have a work ethic or not. It's simple. I wish everyone I work with was honest and cared about the citizens we sre there to provide cRedit for.
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Well said and your situation applies to my organization as well. The only actions we have control over are our own. For those of us with a positive work ethic, thank you. For others, what goes around comes around.
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Point of clarification on "time clocks" - there was never one consistent time keeping system across the tribal facilities (often the systems being utilized were never designed or meant to be used as a time-keeping device). Second point, not all departments punched a clock. So if you have a policy that is not consistently implemented (and enforced) it's not much of a policy. Third point, just because you're in the building for eight hours doesn't mean those are eight hours are productive hours. It would be nice if the managers/supervisors actually held staff accountable for their negative actions and provided reinforcement for their positive actions. There's more to managing than cracking a whip, hopefully we'll see some employee development implemented on all levels (particularly management). Let's set some goals and objectives with real deliverables that will benefit the Citizens (which are our customer base) and stop worrying about when people come and go.
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Your right we might as well cross all of our T's and dot all the I's. The "badge readers" that were installed in "some" buildings (at great expense to the nation)were used haphazardly, at best, they were supposed to be used to get people into their prospective work spaces during the hours they were being paid by our tribe. Now why don't you tell us all how you receive the "objectives and real deliverables that will benefit the citizens(which is our customer base)" if you don't come to work on time?
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To Olemeanie - as one who sat through the Chief's meeting with the employees at no point did he say, or infer, "come to work when you feel like it". He said that it was the employees' responsibility to be honest and the managers' responsibility to hold their direct reports accountable. I agree that people who are chronically late and who leave early are stealing from the tribe. I maintain that the managers be held accountable and if they are unable to fulfill their management duties (and believe me, there are a lot that are) then they should be replaced by capable managers that are willing to conduct themselves in the fashion that is expected. Leadership starts from the top.
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I have yet to see a new policy in black and white. How am I supposed to "hold my employees accountable" when there are no set policies on this now? What constitutes "acceptable tardiness" vs "unacceptable tardiness"? I agree the one minute thing was ridiculous and we SHOULD be able to follow the honor system but I have been here far too long too know that there will be a small bunch of unethical idiots who ruin this for everyone (again). I come in early, stay late, rarely get to take my 15 minute break and work hard when I am on the clock. Because that is how I was raised. It is very frustrating to see others who come strolling in & out at their leisure...and they always have an excuse.
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If your a leader ,LEAD. If you go to the office on time isn't that enough of a hint on what to do? All you have to do is stand up and be a leader. If you have a bunch of slackers either find a way to motivate them or stand up and let them know that its not acceptable. BUT first you have to have enough back bone to be a LEADER.
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HA! WHY DO YOU THINK THE WORKERS ABUSE IT? THEIR SO CALLED LEADERS ARE THE FIRST TO ABUSE IT SO IN A WAY THEY ARE LEADING. SAD BUT TRUE. MOST WORKERS HAVE STRONG VALUES BUT WHEN YOUR BOSS IS DOING IT IT IS HARD NOT TO FOLLOW SUIT.
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I do set an example (re-read what I said above), but my department organization is a joke. I am a supervisor on paper but have been told by my supervisor that I am not allowed to write anyone up much less fire them. So what would your solution be since you assume to know me so well?
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I have news for you if your department is a joke your job is a joke, if your job is a joke then you are a joke. Its that backbone thing that was mentioned above.
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And as I suspected, you are only capable of hurling childish insults instead of offering a helpful solution. Thanks for wasting my time.
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I understand your problem 100%. In the many years I have been working for the health system I personally have observed supervisors being told no write ups for "certain employees". Or often told write it up but it wouldn't go anywhere anywhere. It is aggraviting to observe and work with those privileged employees. Ask the head of nsy Ms Dunson how far she got when trying to get an employee discharged. Doesn't change the way I work but when someone is allowed to "not work" and draw a check and not provide health care to our citizens I resent them and the administration that allows it. It has saddened and angered many employees that Mr. Tiger has had appointed ed mclemoore over the health system again. He is a political pawn. He does not care about the health of citizens. He is all about pleasing the politicans. ,
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Was he nominated in the meeting today? If so was he confirmed?
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There were a total of 8 employees in our division that came in late today and 5 that left early. One man bragged that he had a hour and forty five minute lunch courtsey of George Tigers and his new throw out the time clock rule. It will only get worse. Perhaps one day when a member of George or Rogers family need a critical health need maybe someone will wake up
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You know,I totally hear you about other people not doing right and you may be in a situation that you cannot change that,but there is a statement that has been said time and time again, "find a way to do YOUR job well without letting slackers get to you, you will be better off, I assure you."
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I haven't been on this site in quite awhile...I'm kind of disappointed that it has swung so personal...I would encourage the posters to please make suggestions to the new employees rather than throw rocks...its in all of our best interest that these people succeed in their jobs because it benefits all us...regardless of who was elected chief, changes would have come...its the nature of politics..every new administration brings his own crew to the table...regardless if we agree are disagree its to all our interest to help make this work...its unfortunate that a number of good people lost their jobs and some I will personally miss when calling in my complaints or suggestions...however we need to give the new folks a chance...for the democracy that we have as a government, the majority of votes went in this direction...I'm actually looking forward to new ideas, only time will tell if they work or not...so come on Mvskoke people, we could do better here...as matter of fact I know we are better than this...over the years I seen some pretty impressive suggestions on here..please lets get back to that format and hopefully we will have some NC members will think so too...there is a good reason why the bible says for us to pray for our leadership...from the bottom of the pile to the very top of the pile, we are all in this together...just my thoughts...Eli Grayson
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Glad you are back Eli. I totally agree with this post. Thanks.
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I live in OKC and it's so much easier to cheer from the parking lot then the sidelines.
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Eli and olemeannie, I hate to interrupt your lovefest of respect but its already been proven that nothing anybody says on here makes any difference. its just blowin smoke into the wind. I like how you're trying to give the man (gt) a chance and keep us all up out of the gutter but thats not how it is here in the "real world".
your metaphor of "the pile" is, I'm afraid, more true than you meant. as a matter of fact its still "steaming" and about to heat up even more!...LOL
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I'm a optimist brother and I rather chose to see the good in all Creeks and take it from there...at some point we have to start helping each other, hell the month of January is not even over yet and its the end of the world...I just think we are better than that and I know my successes in life has not come from dwelling on negative stuff but empowering myself to learn from it and move higher....my father thought me from a very young age not to become a prisoner of my experiences...learn from them, the good and the bad but move my ass on...
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Spotted a male, in civilian clothes, get into a shiny new Ford F-150 marked as a M(C)N Lighthorse vehicle, on a Friday afternoon in south Tulsa.
It had been parked at a south Tulsa apartment complex. Former Lighthorse Chief Shackleford did not allow lighthorsemen to take their vehicles home, or use them for personal reasons.
I guess that's changed.
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There is way to much emphasis being put on the time clock itself! It wasn't the time clock most employees had a problem with. The problem was with the policy and the actions of the last administration mainly claude sumner. His policy fired employees for being one minute late and also they would post your time in the main lobby of the tribal headquarters. I don't know about anyone else but that action was embarrassing when we have tribal, state, and national leaders walking inside our tribal headquarters. But that was the approach the past administration had on employees never positive actions in any form always negative interactions with the staff. There was some supervisors that took advantage of this policy and fired some single parents that struggle to put food on the table. It's those types of actions that this administration is trying to address for employees. I have a lot of compassion for our citizens and I hope this administration does increase our services but for those of us that have not worked in our own governmental system please show some compassion for our employees they are only human also. Most times if you are mistreated you will mistreat others and our employees of the nation our scrutinized at every level!!! Just look at this website over the years many employees have been scrutinized and ridiculed. Let me remind you many of these people our citizens of our proud Nation!!! This site says its to bring balance to the national council and let there be no lies between us.. VOC I ask that we get back those basic requirements!
Thank you
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I too have read complaints about the time clock and the injustice of Claude Sumner's heavy handed treatment of employees. It seems that his main concern and concentration of energies was to punish people for being late. Although I have never heard of anyone being dismissed for being 1 minute late. That is all behind us now and we will revert back to the honor system where we are at our assigned work stations at the assigned time. It is up to us as employees to show that we have earned this privilege and not abuse it.
There is one thing that mystifies me about the time clock issue and that is that so many think that they have an inherent right to come and go as they please. Is this a cultural thing that I missed out on by attending school in Tulsa where the majority was white and strict attendance was adhered to. Where does this work ethic attitude come from, why are we this way? Just asking
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You just said a mouthful. Claude the Fraud Sumner was (past tense) the worst leader since Gen. George Custer.
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Enough of your type of comments. Sumner is no longer around. You have new leadership to undo those things.
If I remember, those time clocks were utilized because, as has been stated in other comments, many (and it was many) employees took too much advantage of the tribe with their working hours.
I happen to be one of the citizens who believe that being late, leaving early or not doing your job while at work, is stealing money from the tribe. Most of the time, it's inexcusable. There are times when things happen to make us late, etc., but MOST of the time, it was due to oversleeping, etc. and bad time management. Don't blame others for what led to time clocks.
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At least Chief Tiger respects us as adults and treats us as so not like childern that can't tell time.
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Tiger isn't just the chief of you and your department. A lot of us in other places would like to be treated as being smart citizens, not like idiots, who can tell time, but can also look way outside of our little niches.
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That right you've heard enough of that sort of comment. You are a fool not to remember the mistakes of the past. If you don't realize the mistakes of the past and figure out what caused them you will repeat them. The problem is very plain. When it's ok to use the term "Indian house" or "Indian time" or that's good enough for an Indian nothing will change for the better. If the tribe is to improve you have to have rules that apply to everyone equally.
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You know, after working at the tribe for the summer, my son developed such a great work ethic on being on time and being responsible that it completely changed his whole attitude and outlook on life. One time I overslept and he literally threw water on me to wake me up. I drove him to work in my pajamas. He was in the car waiting for me.
Now my son has a part-time after school job and is a shift leader and he's still in school. I don't mean to play devil's advocate but maybe the honor system is broken.
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Why do I get the feeling that most of you have never worked in the "Real World"? In the "Real World" you are treated as professionals... you are told what your job is and are expected to do it, to the best of your ability, and request/seek training for those things that you need to grow in. It is YOUR responsibility. And guess what?? If you come in late consistently... whose job is it to correct it? Your supervisor or manager. Do you know what would happen if I behaved the way that ALOT of Creek Nation employees do? I would be walked out the door! Yes, supervisors/managers need to be sympathetic of their employees... but they need to draw a clear line and discipline employees who have issues. That being said... you realize that the problem isn't only with the employee's not acting as professionals, but it's with the managers that allow this type of behaviour. In more cases than not, you get what you pay for. If the tribe wants to attract well qualified professionials then I suggest they start doing some research into salary/jobs and get competitive. I know several WELL qualified and professional Creek citizens that either won't work for the tribe because they won't be paid what they are worth.. or because of the low moral rampant within the tribe.
Bottom line. It is not a bosses responsibility to make sure their employees are at work on time. It is the employees responsibility. It is the bosses responsibility to discipline, and make an example if need be, employees who abuse the system and don't act as professionals.
My suggestion is that the card readers should have first been implemented to allow access to the facility/office (no badge no entry) The side effect of this is that, while you are not actively monitoring employee time, you know have the ability to pull up an employee's badge in/out history should it ever become a problem. It also works as a deterent. Employees are happy that they are not being micro managed (happy employee translates into higher productivity) while knowing that they could be monitored at any time. Also, this gives the managers something to look at come review time (if Performance Based Pay/Raises) is ever implemented) and is a security feature that allows you to either lock down a building or open it up completely in a crisis, remotely! The tribe has some good young/progessive thinkers... start using them... put several in a room and let them hash it out....
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GT fired social service supervisor this week and sharee hill, david hills daughter, is new manager of that department.
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This is plainly a pay off to one of GT's council sheep. Remember, Sharee Hill just had Travis Scott's baby. It was in the Tulsa World announcements. Clearly, Scott was always, always on the side of voting along with GT.
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Does ms. Hill have the education/degree for the job? Where or what has her job histoy been?
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Actually, the only experience she has is being a Caseworker there. She hasn't worked there for almost 2 1/2 years. This is partially a vendetta against the previous Manager and Supervisor because she was passed over for a promotion.
She has no grant administration experience or supervisory. Now she has 21 employees.
The previous supervisor had a Master's degree and had been with the tribe over 6 years. Plus, she was Muscogee. The previous Manager (who was also Muscogee)had run programs at other tribes and many years of grant administration under her belt.
Also, I would think as a sound management idea perhaps giving the old management the chance to fulfill his vision for the Nation. They were fired before they were given a chance to come on board.
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Unfortunately that's what this administration is going to resort to, placing people in positions as managers and directors, not for their education and background experience but because George or Roger owe them something for supporting them in the election. For example, in Lighthorse there have been four people who have left or were terminated who have four year degrees from accredited Universities, and were Creek Citizens, and replaced by people with associate degrees or no degrees at all, this in direct contrast with the last Tribal administration who sought to hire well educated and experienced Creek Citizens.
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Ben Chaney was fired and so was Leslie (luckett) shackleford. Ben Chaney was replaced by Charlie lasarge. ( what a joke this chief has turned creek nation into). You will probably see. More If these types of hires coming. He announced today he is doing a national search so qualified creeks can come home. Whatever he has sent more creeks home in the past month then he will get applicants. If you are a qualified do you really want to work with the intellect of team tiger. Shucks the IQ level of team tigers equals less then a 5th grader look them a bunch of rejects all of them. None of these people can get real jobs
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Your statements are so true, look at the hiring of Jeff Fife in the Second chiefs office. This man couldn't make it in Lighthorse, look at his past experiences, don't think he ever completed an investigation of any cases ask him what cases if any he sent to the AG's office for prosecution. Now he is working for Barnett who according to rumor is supposed to be running the day to day operations of the tribe. What qualifications if any does Barnett have in running anything, Much less a multi-million dollar organization like the nation. I understand that he (Fife) got his Associate in Applied Science Degree from the College of the Muscogee Nation, but really folks thats not a real degree and is not worth the paper it is written on in the Real World, (not an accredited school). I for one thank Tiger and Barnett are setting this nation up for failure, time will tell. Hold on to your hats folks its going to be a wild ride!!!!
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will old GT still hiring crooks for CN when charlie worked at housing he was fired because of kickback from contractors or ask him about what happen at housing
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Does anyone know about the plans to build a new hospital in okemah? Is this true or just a rumor?
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The tribal construction departmaent with its socalled "engineer" SOLOMAN MORGAN is incapable of building such a project.
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Soloman got Koweta built and its still standing. Maybe you would be happier if Chief George moved Charlie over there.
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SOLOMAN MORGAN the "engineer", with no degree, had nothing to do at all with the Koweta clinic. You should get your facts straight. Or quit listening to Soloman he couldn't build a dog house.
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