GT & RB Will Allow Kialegee Casino Within our Creek Nation Boundaries
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Link:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20111220_350_A1_BROKEN727421
It didn't take long did it? With A.D. on the way out, and George and Roger and a friendly NC on the way in, KTT is full speed ahead on opening their new casino in Broken Arrow, within the territorial confines of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation.
I ask you. Would Oklahoma permit another state's lottery tickets to be sold in Oklahoma? Same principle here.
Stay tuned. And I wonder what George got in exchange for his support? The Bible says Judas got a bag of silver.
Link:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20111220_350_A1_BROKEN727421
It didn't take long did it? With A.D. on the way out, and George and Roger and a friendly NC on the way in, KTT is full speed ahead on opening their new casino in Broken Arrow, within the territorial confines of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation.
I ask you. Would Oklahoma permit another state's lottery tickets to be sold in Oklahoma? Same principle here.
Stay tuned. And I wonder what George got in exchange for his support? The Bible says Judas got a bag of silver.
They aren't even in office yet, but they have started their under-handed corrupt actions. They have been in co-hoots with that Marcella Giles woman & Kialegee for years. Was this one of the promises they made to get votes? I don't think so as we would have found out. It is a "pounce now" held up their sleeves, waiting for Chief Ellis to be gone as he protected our boundaries and our Tribal Constitution according to tribal and federal laws very successfully.
Open that Tulsa World link and read it. At this point, no mention of legalities are mentioned. But they are scheduled to open in March. Now that alone should tell you it has been in the plans for many, many months. Talk about crooked and corrupt.
MERRY CHRISTMAS, FELLOW TRIBAL PEOPLE. STAY AWAKE. THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES THEY WILL SLAP US IN OUR FACES WITH.
Let's not go that far for we are not Christ but you are right, we are about to be betrayed! Georgie has kissed all the girls and now he has to come through with the promises. After he gets his there won't be enough to go around so expect voices to be heard in higher places singing like a holy choir and hopefully this is done before we go under as a nation. The feds will get involved one way or another before old george is done.
Will Kialegee split their money with Creek Nation?
Are your ancestors Kialegee?
Will the 352 citizens of Kialegee Tribal Town become 30,352 citizens very soon?
Get your enrollment card with Kialegee.
Be a dual citizen.
Be a double dipper.
Be all you can be and get all you can.
Follow the example set for us by our new leaders - Tiger & Barnett.
They both fought Chief Ellis on this very issue. They want the Kialegee Casino, they stood up in court and said they wanted it. Wonder why?
Follow our new leaders and get rich.
That's what we all wanted, isn't it?
Out new leaders Barnett & Tiger have now made us EQUAL to the greedy white man.
council member JG is Kialegee..she sneaked in one for coweta.
HERE IT IS!!
Tiger will claim, "it's out of my hands, the tribal towns have a compact with the state of Oklahoma."
He will take out a lease for 20 years, pay the owners $40,000,00.00 for the lease, and pay the owners 50% of the profits for the 20 years - all in the name of Muscogee (Creek) Nation - thus sayeth the new Principal Chief.
This, of course, is because the family's land is in Creek Nation boundaries - they gotta have permission from Creek Nation.
The compact with the state of OK was signed last year to allow gaming by any federally recognized tribe if the state gets their part.
Better call your congressmen, senators, governor and any other politian iffen you don't like it.
Wonder how much George will get for brokering this sweet deal.
Guess who will be running it - Wilmorite - George's personal casino people and they also gave Roger his truck.
I feel sure the 'mob' is involved! Wonder how our Tribe will fare with the mob as it's owner!
oh yeah it true,GTknows, indians have not changed, shake their hand and smile and laugh with them, just like given them a few beads, lol, alot of you think he was going to change the everything. Yeah going to give the tribe back to the indians. Just so the indians can work for GT white close friends, cause he knows indians do not have the money be his close friend. GT is the great white hope. The feds love him, because he going to take a tribe out, one less indian tribe to deal with, a few more stabs in the back and will all be one dead indian, no longer recognized has a tribe, all because GT has history of having tribal leaders in his family history. BS! just another apple indian, the bad thing is you voted for him.
OK..here is how you build a Tiger trap, set a table out with a $100 bill hanging underneath and be very very quiet. the trap is called money under the table trap. The problem is indians do not have the money for the trap. So the tiger runs free around here.
Looks like the folks who live near the KTT casino under construction are hopping mad. Muscogee (Creek) citizens should be too.
Mind you, this KTT casino will be unique because it will be the first tribal casino in the US to operate inside the territorial confines of another tribe.
Link:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20111221_78_A1_CUTLIN91832
This casino will be built.
If you or any of your family members have land that is restricted - find a builder and build your personal casino.
The precedence has been set. It's fair game for everyone with RESTRICTED LAND.
Since Creek Nation's chief and 2nd chief elect are in favor of this they will be in favor of a casino on any restricted land.
This casino deal brings up many issues.
1. Will NIGC give Kialegee its very own Gaming license? Or will they be permitted to operate under the license of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation's license?
2. Will they have use of our (MCN) Light Horse department? (Yeah, I forgot GT & RB are miffed at present LH, so they will have someone in there to their liking.)
3. Will our Gaming Board have jurisdiction over them?
4. Will our Office of Public Gaming have oversite of them?
5. Will the Council have any authority over them? The NC should be more than concerned.
6. Will the present double-dippers on our council leave for greener pastures?
(Lena Wind, etc. Bill Fife was one.)
7. Can the MCN take it over like the white folk can do: IMMINENT DOMAIN?
8. Will other tribes get involved because of the "any one can do what they want with their restricted land if its within tribal boundaries" decision by the feds? It could allow the Cherokee, Osage or any other tribe to hop, skip and jump anywhere?
9. It will get more interesting because deals have been done thru George & Roger, and none of it is good for the Creek people. I don't care if their names don't appear in any of the News articles. They have done this. They've been working on this for a long time. I know this for a fact.
10. All that can be said momentarily is that the Tulsa World writer had better delve more into the history of the Kialegee's attempts to open THIS casino. And the Broken Arrow city government should get more knowledgeable about tribal/sovereign laws before they give in, by stating there is nothing that they can do. There is a lot they can do. Just don't talk to biased lawyers or elected Creek Nation officials.
11. Lastly, there has always been a fear of the 'mob' types getting into our casino business. I WOULD SAY IT HAS NOW HAPPENED! Too many outsiders are involved, and they will drag us (MCN) into all this.
The fact remains, that just because KTT signed the gaming compact with Oklahoma, does not equal authority to game on Marcella Giles' land.
Any federally recognized Tribe is welcome to sign the state gaming compact. It is a one-size-fits-all deal and applies to all gaming tribes that sign.
The key here, is whether the National Indian Gaming Commission and the BIA(a/k/a The Feds) will allow KTT to game on land it LEASES from a citizen of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation.
Recall that Thloppthlocco Tribal Town has their "Golden Pony Casino," but it is on land held in trust by the US for the benefit of TTT. Not land leased from a private person!
That is not the case in this KTT deal. IMHO, the applicable federal Indian gaming law is pretty clear, these types of shenanigans are not allowed. Even if George, Roger and the NC give it their blessing. The fact will remain, and THIS IS THE KEY, the land is not held in trust by the US for the benefit of KTT.
If the folks in Broken Arrow raise enough hell on that point of law, this thing can probably be halted.
And even if Marcella Giles sold her land to KTT, that wouldn't be the end of it. KTT would still have to ask the US to take title as their trustee. Then, and this is another key, the feds require that the folks in the community surrounding this newly acquired land have a say on whether a casino can operate. That's what stopped KTT in their tracks when they tried to pull this crap back east in Georgia.
The upshot is, Broken Arrow isn't out of this by a long shot. They have only to study the law, particularly 25 USC Sec. 2719.
Not so fast my friends.
As usual, ol'George and his pals do not have their ducks in a row.
Check out this link from the Tulsa World. Apparently the KTT folks, and their co-conspirators in M(C)N are way ahead of themselves:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20111221_11_0_hrimgs908538
The new Chief of Cherokee Nation Bill Baker is frinds of George Tiger and Kayleen Free, Steve Bruner's wife. Kayleen is Chief Baker's personal attorney. Friends to the end. Baker, Tiger, Free and Bruner. Put it all together and you have a stew if caro,
Kialegee is a sovereign nation along with Thlopthlocco Tribal Town, their cititizns are on Creek nation rolls.Along with thlopthlocco citizens.
Creek Nation should not have anything to do with their casino, but it does..
Why?All the sovereign nations should have their own rolls apart from Creek Nation,, but it does not..Why? Because Creek nation gets more money having them on our rolls. They come to our food shop here in okmulgee and get food and then get food from their own nation..why? Down load their constitution..Social Services the same...we are a laughing stock because we cannot operate on honesty,,,just Greed. We will have a Alabama on our new council . soon. Why? More Citizens on the Creek Roll more money.Why?
You folks DO know that Marcela Giles and Steve Bruner are related don't you? Conflict of interest? Giles has been working with Bruner for at least 5 years to make this happen.
It seems to me that a vote of the MCN tribal citizens would be required before the Chief and National Council give their nod of approval on these negotiations between KTT and Gaming. Just as approval has to be obtained from the town of Broken Arrow; KTT as another federally recognized tribe is wanting to put a Casino on one of the CN tribal district. This is a decision to be made not just by the Chief or Council members. these are our tribal lands too.
not anymore...these lands now belong to gt/rb & nc! i am still hoping the feds move in and take them all down....including some of the council members before they do too much damage!
whats the difference in ktt wanting a casino built and the one in wetumka? everyone knows that its not a training center! and its not on restricted land. smack in the middle of okemah and holdenville..............no difference peeps!
Good point. The NIGC isn't doing anything about them are they?
The only difference could be that this new Red Clay Casino will take a big chunk of our profits.
That's okay. They're all Creeks too. It's on a larger scale than Creek Nation's Gaming communities. This FAMILY gets the whole pie, with pieces going to the Kialegee Tribal Town, Georgie, and Rogie and maybe some white world politicans that are involved in it.
I am certainly not an expert; thus, this posting hopefully might stimulate additional information related to this matter. Is the Keetoowah Casino in Tahlequah not within the Cherokee Nation's Tribal Territory ? These 2 situations are not identical, but on the point of being a Casino within another Tribes National Territory, they would seem to be the same . Is this correct ?
Looks like The MCN is just beginning to reap the rewards that the tribal members voted for .
Presuming The World does not end about this time next year, are the predictions still on course....Tribal bankruptcy in 12 months & non-existence as a functioning tribe in 5 years or less... ?
Just remember, only 2600 voted for Ol'George. Out of over 18,000 registered voters. That's far from a Roman triumph.
Yea, but they didnt vote. So all this getting mad is their fault also. Quit fussing and get over it
So true. But it was enouogh to get him elected. Still pondering the the ballot boxes were stuffed because George & Roger's votes were so close.
Just can't believe people wanted two men straight from the very National Couoncil that supports other tribes gaming within our boundaries, and the ones that faught against us on our constitutional amendments, and our tobacco compact and all the other fights against us.
Yet, still it is, the way it is.
It's a shame that the election board didn't provide a break down of the votes by communities. It would be I never saw this information in the Muscogee paper.
All the information you want about the election is free and available from the election board office. No one is trying to HIDE ANYTHING.
Yeah, the ballot boxes were stuffed alright,..by legal voters willing to vote for a couple of career politicians. Interestingly enough, the PRECINCT VOTERS carried this election and NOT ABSENTEES, as it has been in nearly every previous election. Which says,...people who should be familiar with gt an rb, VOTED FOR THEM ANYWAY. Sad comment on who we beleive in...
one should not have to call the election board to gain information. It is not a matter of hiding anything, it is a matter of disclosing information to the citizens. It is the responsibility of the election board to report all of the details of the election just as it is the responsibility of our Muscogee paper to report same.
also no where in my post did I infer that the election was tainted.
I haven't been living under a rock these last few months but I do have something on my mind that I would like clarified. What did the National Council do exactly to warrant investigation by the federal government, especially the FBI? I keep reading posts and hearing whispers about indictments. Could someone elaborate for me, please? Mvto
The National Council refused to approve a Tobacco Compact with the State of Oklahoma under the leadership of Speaker George Tiger with the assistance of Roger Barnett, Sam Alexander, Bill Fife and an overwhelming majority of the rest of the National Council.
The result was the purchase by the Trade and Commerce Authority of tobacco products without any tax being paid upon those tobacco products, a violation of federal law, then enter the FBI.
The vote against the compact was critical to continued operation by Creek tobacco shops run by communities and some well connected individuals, who actually received millions in additional illicit income, who also avoided the payment of tobacco taxes.
When all is said and done the Creek Nation will be required to pay those avoided tobacco taxes, which means the treasury of the Creek Nation.
Thank you, Dr.
I understand the tobacco compact, but will all the former and current National Council members be indicted?
If the tribe and the individuals owe back the taxes to the state, won't the federal government just find them or the tribe?
I talked with a former council members spouse and it's amazing how the majority don't take a kickback but allow it to happen.
I'll bet a kids college tuition the following individuals or their spouses are getting kickbacks:
Tiger, Barnett, Fife, Bruner, Willits, Alexander, Wind, Ade, and Scott.
You should wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one fills up first. No one and I mean not one out of all the thieves, from the communities (wind, boy fife and all the good Christian community members that took illegal per capita payments), or the smoke shop owning council members or the trade and commerce so called leaders (weisner),or any of other tribal thieves will ever see any kind of punishment while you whine and dot your I's and cross your little tee's in your useless tribal court system. Why don't you face the facts that Ole george is king in his own sovereign kingdom. You deserve what you get... I mean what you are going to loose.
The actions of Tiger & Barnett with their supporting cast of National Council members goes much further and deeper into under the table deals.
Tobacco money was only the start! All Creeks will eventually have to pay for this illegal activity.
NOW
Read the front page of todays Tulsa World and you will find these same Creek politicians involved in a casino to compete with our River Spirit Casino.
What would prompt Tiger, Barnett and others to support such an activity - WELL the Tulsa World gives a hint $18,000,000 YES 18 million dollars -
Now all Creek citizens really know the WHY of defeating Campaign Financing and Financial Discourse for Creek politicians and executives.
It appears in both cases these same so called Creek leaders promise a pittance to the little guy while they themselves get a slice of the BIG TOBACCO and GAMING PIE.
Will anyone in the Creek government ever know? Unlikely - $18,000,000 dollars makes a lot of not so cheap (now) Creek politicians silent and secret.
Expect more executive sessions and behind closed door deals in the future, that is until the Creek treasury is gone.
"One" should take the intitiative on"ones" own to find out for "oneself". It is the responsibility of each citizen to care enough about election results to find out for themselves. Unless "one" is just too lazy to find out for themselves. (but not too lazy to sit down at the keyboard and complain about needing it handed to "one" on a platter! LOL Would you like someone to explain the results also to you ? lol
yes old wise one please explain the results to me. And while you are at it please explain why it is such a crime for one to expect a unit of our tribal government to voluntarily provide statistical information. I guess that they would rather have 4000 phone calls requesting this information. Although the 4000 plus voter maybe to lazy to call or to lazy to care(thank you Moty for pointing out one of the faults of Muscogee voters).
Looks like the folks in Broken Arrow have called on their Congressman to weigh in against this proposed KTT casino on Marcella Giles' land.
For what its worth, that's how KTT was stopped from opening a casino in Georgia. The Georgia opponents got their politicians involved.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20111227_78_A11_BROKEN330601
Interesting that KTT's mikko would claim KTT has no other viable option for economic assistance than to open a casino on Giles' land. Aren't the vast majority of the 400 or so KTT members also M(C)N citizens?
Why would this be an emergency, I think it more of the NC and GT&RB getting the ducks in a row to make this a lawless tribe. If someone know knowns other wise, did this pass and go thought, not sure, please comment.NCA 11-213 A LAW OF THE MUSCOGEE (CREEK) NATION REPEALING TITLE 26
IN ITS ENTIRETY AND CREATING A NEW TITLE 26 ESTABLISHING
THE CRIMINAL DISTRICT TRIAL COURT, CIVIL DISTRICT TRIAL
COURT AND FAMILY DISTRICT TRIAL COURT WITHIN THE JUDICIAL
BRANCH OF THE MUSCOGEE (CREEK) NATION Sponsor: Sam Alexander
Why doesn't anyone that we talk about get on here? What are they hiding?
Here's the latest from the Tulsa World. Even this newspaper reporter smells a rat, or rats...named George and Roger.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20111229_14_A1_ULNSbO232703
Chief Ellis weighs in on the issue in the Tulsa World. He also suggests ol' George is a traitor to his people for being in bed with the crooks trying to ram this KTT casino through in BA.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20111230_11_A1_ULNSOi459003