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• 11/6/2011 9:13 AM Anonymous wrote:
  hope they change our insurance back to what health had or what the casino's have.
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• 11/6/2011 12:16 PM Anonymous wrote:
  The council will be electing their new speaker since Roger's ascent to 2nd chief, it is a gut feeling that this is where Alexander wants to be so he can wield his iron fists on all nc members into submission on whatever he wants. I do think C. Ridge will go after that.
  They will also be revising committee assignments. How will they do that with fewer NC members? Who will get chairman of those committees?
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• 11/6/2011 2:31 PM eufaula citizen wrote:
  Look for Tommy Boy to resurface. He got on Georges bandwagon and will ride it to town. Wonder what they promised each other. Tom and Judy will still be running the health clinic into the ground.
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  1. 11/6/2011 3:07 PM Creek Vet wrote:
     This will be a dark time for the Creek Nation, I predict Tiger will go down in history as one of the worst leaders of this Nation. But the majority has spoken, and for those that didn't vote and for the ones that did vote for him I just hope that you get what you paid for. Hopefully we will be hearing from the Eastern District before to long and Tiger and Barnett will be put on trial, for thier participation in the Trade and Commerce scandal along with Wisner.
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     1. 11/6/2011 9:44 PM nonemployee wrote:
        so true! hoping their day of reckoning comes soon!! otherwise in 4 years the tribe will be broke and any federal funding in jeopardy. there are alot of people who will be hurt including the jealous, greedy, crooked or just plain dumb ones that voted for thief tiger!
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     2. 11/7/2011 9:39 AM Anonymous wrote:
        The majority of Creeks did EXACTLY what the Feds wanted us to do.
        
        They now have the perfect reason to stop tobacco sales, shut down casinos, take away federal funding and put locks on our gates.
        
        The MAJORITY elected two known crooks, deadbeats and liars and it only proves that we as a Nation are not worthy of federal funding or access to money at all. Now we are all crooks, deadbeats and liars.
        
        All that are of mixed Indian blood will soon be denouncing their citizenship to Creek Nation and going to the other blood.
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• 11/6/2011 4:53 PM Wm. wrote:
  The citizens have spoken, now it is up to those elected to govern properly.
  
  Now the new Principal Chief will select individuals to function for All the citizens and his selections will set the tone for his administration. All will now observe it the promises were good or if the fears were confirmed.
  
  Hopefully he will increase salaries for employees, appoint qualified individuals to positions where needed and retain those who have done well in the past.
  
  Sometimes in heated campaign supporters believe they have the inside on a lucrative position, when not qualified, the new Chief will be closely watched for his administration will only be a good as those he appoints.
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  1. 11/6/2011 6:37 PM Anonymous wrote:
     Who will watch the new Chief?
     Roger Barnett?
     Who will watch Roger Barnett?
     The National Council?
     Who will watch the National Council?
     George & Roger are the National Council.
     The new Executive & Leglislative Branches are now one in the same.
     The soon dismantled District Court & Supreme Court will have no power over the other two branches run by these two.
     
     WHO WILL PROTECT THIS NATION?
     THE WEAK CITIZENS OF MUSCOGEE NATION?
     WHO?
     The Federal Government?
     
     NoW it is proven.
     The MAJORITY of voting Creeks will lynch an honest person and praise a thief & crook.
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     1. 11/6/2011 9:09 PM Concerned wrote:
        Sadly Anonymous you are probably correct. I hear the cries of our Elders & Ancestors. These people in positions of responsibility, if they betray the Trust & Authority granted them, will one day have to answer for their abuses of power. If not in this life, then certainly in another.
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        1. 11/7/2011 6:52 AM Anonymous wrote:
           "I do solemnly swear that I will FAITHFULLY execute the Office of the Principal Chief of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation, and will, to the BEST of my ability, uphold the Constitution of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation."
           
           Neither of these men are FAITHFUL and neither of these men will uphold our Constitution.
           Both have fought against the laws in our CONSTITUTION for years, were the very leaders of the pack.
           
           Who will swear them into office?
           They both VOTED AGAINST AMOS MCNAC and succeeded in ousting our only full blood Mvskoke speaking justice.
           
           DO YOU REMEMBER?
           DO YOU REMEMBER?
           DO YOU REMEMBER NOW?
           
           Amos McNac wanted our constutuion to be upheld and George & Roger did not.
           
           ARE YOU AWAKE?
           DO YOU REMEMBER?
           
           Will Ms. Leah Ware - a mixed blood non Creek speaking justice swear them into office?
           Will they swear themselves in? Will Frances swear George in, and Roger's son will swear him in?
           
           It won't be our friend Amos McNa, he leaves his post December 31, 2011 with so many others that wanted our laws to be obeyed.
           
           YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED BROTHERS AND SISTERS - NOW BOW YOU HEADS IN SHAME.
           All those voting for these two lawbreaking thieves will have their own just rewards. I shall see it with my own eyes.
           
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           1. 11/7/2011 10:26 AM a creek too wrote:
              At the Coweta forum, ole George stated if he is elected Chief, one of the 1st things he will do is have Judge Moore run off the premises. (Probably in handcuffs & chains, that's how much hate he has.)
              
              He believes Judge Moore did wrong to the council and everything else.  George, not for one second,  accepts blame for anything, as any REAL MAN would do.  He really believes he is pure, and everything that happened was done to him. 
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              1. 11/11/2011 2:01 AM GUESS WHO wrote:
                 judge moore,a.g, health PERSONEL all the big wheels are GONE!!!!!
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  2. 11/6/2011 8:59 PM Anonymous wrote:
     GT will surely give a lucrative job to that woman, Johnna Townsend who has been his "mouth of the south" throughout his campaign. You know the one that did the same thing for Jason. I have heard that she is recently unemployed. No wonder she worked so hard, for just rewards. Frances had better watch her.
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     1. 11/8/2011 1:21 AM Anon wrote:
        She only became his "mouth of the south" after she failed Jason. The Tiger campaign took all the votes they could get, even from the backstabbers and brown-nosers. She'll eventually show her true colors, she always does. Frances doesn't have to be worried about her.
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• 11/7/2011 11:05 AM opinionated wrote:
  Johnna is the mouth of the south. The same mouth of the south that brought awareness to Hannah schools and helped get them a large check to fix their gym. The same mouth of the south that got the chief candidates out there to visit with the grass root Creek citizens. Jason's campaign was over when Johnna joined Tiger's team. She stood on her own two feet and joined the candidate she thought would best represent the people. Being the "mouth of the South" is a good thing and I wish there were more of them.
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  1. 11/7/2011 4:35 PM Anonymous wrote:
     Well thank goodness for 'sliced bread' (Johnna).  Otherwise, I just don't know where we would be. And for Johnna,  I kind of think David Nichols had a lot to do with Hanna (not Hannah). But if Johnna want to take credit, it just shows what she is made of. As for the candidates, they came out just hearing about a forum. They came to ours without Johnna's invitations. So, where does that leave your comments?
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     1. 11/7/2011 7:19 PM JOHNNA wrote:
        Well its pretty funny to me how I can address this under my REAL name but you wont post it...thanks to whomever had my back on the mouth of the south comment...lol. Its no biggie this website just shows peoples class...0...and if it was voices of courage they wouldnt have to hide behind anonymous names..AND Hanna is my hometown...and before you run your mouth you should get facts straight....I asked David Nichols to come and see what this school was like and he met with myself and others and said that they needed help....I also asked Jason to go with...but David was currently on the council and able to do more...certainly there have been people in place that shouldve allready had this school taken care of considering they are 85% creek students..I believe it was a team effort(again thanks to whoever made that post) but Mr Nichols also had to get help from George Tiger and every council rep to sign off on that bill....it was NOT a one person deal...but Im sure what they were trying to say is why hadnt something been done about it until now??? why do we have so many schools struggling and our creek kids being neglected...if you all ran your mouths out in the communities as much as you do on here...our nation just might prosper instead of continuing all the bickering and fighting but then again..most people expect this from YOU anyways...
        
        
        (VOC members are the moderators and we post just about anything, from almost anyone, on almost any topic or issue.  Those who post comments are Creek citizens and a few of other persuasions.)
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        1. 11/8/2011 11:06 AM mouth of the south wrote:
           i figured if i posted as the name you gave me you might actually post my original comment pryor to the one where i go by my name...JOHNNA...as i had stated I did start out campaigning for Jason...and I had a good job...I became unemployed during the time I was campaigning for Jason...he made me NO promises of a job...neither did George..I make my own decisions and as "opinionated stated..I can stand on my own 2 feet. I was NOT the only person who left Jasons campaign to go to Georges campaign because of things we saw and heard on the trail...as a matter of FACT..I WAS THE 3RD to leave it..lol..I will take the term "mouth of the south " as a compliment...it obviously worked to Georges benefiti HAVE MADE MANY FRIENDS ALONG THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL that would probably agree with opinionated...and I also want to thank Frances for being a great leader for all native women and for holding my hand thru this. They know my story and my background..and accept me for who I am anyways ...they know how you people that live in glass houses can be....
           With that said ...as for my employment status..I am glad you are concerned for me as you say you are for all citizens...
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           1. 11/11/2011 11:26 PM Anonymous wrote:
              Just in case this person can't understand, "mouth of the south" is NOT a compliment.
              Although I am a native woman, Frances Tiger is NOT a great leader for me. To me, she is not a proven product.
              
              Why on earth did she have to hold your hand? Of course they accepted you regardless of your story and background. You are just like them. You are all the ones in glass houses, probably Creek supplied houses.
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        2. 11/8/2011 3:47 PM nonemployee wrote:
           any credibility you MAY have had before was ruined when you supported tiger. if you think he will help our tribe continue to grow you aren't as smart as you think you are
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           1. 11/8/2011 11:19 PM Anon wrote:
              You are right about her credibility being gone. As someone under another topic stated JT will bail whenever she doesn't get her way or doesn't get the most attention being loud. The thing I noticed most about her comments is how many times she uses the "I". Any psychologist can decipher that the same way we do. She does not take on issues, only attacks and calls names. She likes thinking she is important, instead she is simply a nuisance.
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              1. 11/9/2011 10:54 AM Anon wrote:
                 Lol, I like this reply. She and her whole family are this way. It's so funny how they act, not realizing how foolish they are. Now she's taking credit for GT's win for being the "mouth of the south"!! What a narcissist!
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        3. 11/9/2011 7:12 PM Anonymous wrote:
           Why didn't Mr. Tiger do something before now is a very good question. What about Ms. Dornan, Mr. Proctor & Mr. Adams, Hanna is in their district isn't it? There aren't very many voters in Hanna probably.
           
           The 'running of mouths at communities' takes place at communities with $$$$$. Most people are not interested in communitiy activities unless there is money or things being handed out.
           
           Please don't forget Chief Ellis also 'signed off' on that legislation for Hanna.
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           1. 11/10/2011 9:36 AM nonemployee wrote:
              I believe Chief Ellis did alot for the Tribe. His actions were for ALL Creek citizens not just a few or for himself and caused him alot of anxiety but he did what he felt he had to do to protect our Tribe. His biggest mistake was allowing people who were of Tiger's ilk to stay employed.
              
              Keep track of how fast the Tribe's monies disappear when Tiger takes over. I wouldn't even want to work for Tiger because you can bet he will end up in jail eventually and those around him may follow. As someone stated before me...Tiger will go down as the WORST Chief in the history of Creek Nation!
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        4. 11/9/2011 7:19 PM nonemployee wrote:
           Lie down with dogs and you will get up with fleas!
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  2. 11/8/2011 11:40 PM VOC 2 wrote:
     Another comment has been moved here because it belongs here. Maybe it will help people understand Johnna Townsend.
     
     11/1/2011 10:05 PM Ruth wrote:
     I was forwarded a copy of what Johnna had said on a FB post,
     I guess it was on George Tiger's FB wall - it was regarding comments made by Johnna, it read: "I was for another candidate during the whole election working as his campaign manager. I withdrew from that campaign respectively due to differences of opinion".
     I was part of Jason's committee, from the beginning. The initial meeting was a lot of supporters and their families and volunteers, Johnna was not one of them. She came along later, I do not remember at any time that she was named as Jason's Campaign manager, by Jason or anyone else!!! (then wanted to be paid for it!) I will say she did work hard, as we all did. But I know that Johnna can be abrasive, pushy, etc..(we all can be) I just figure that's her personality and overlooked it. But the differences were we didn't do it her way, but she was not the candidate running. At the end she started sending out these mass text messages that were rude and uncalled for and everyone felt like pulling back from the campaign committee...she didn't offend one or two, but a lot people. Then she wondered why everyone avoided her!! She left once and came back, left again, then left again then jumped on the Tiger campaign at the last minute. The differences of opinion were that we didn't do things her way!! I tried talking to her and keeping in contact, then I heard she was bad-mouthing all of "us"...so now I'm wondering how she's getting along with all those Tiger supporters that she once talked about, ridiculed, repeated gossip about them and is now sitting in the middle of. How long it will be before she changes again and does the same thing to the Tiger supporters...I learned and wouldn't trust her again! But she hasn't stopped there, she was insinuating one of the girls made a FB comment about her. Then went on to get mad when someone else deleted and blocked her on FB and blamed me for it..I'm leaving her on because she amuses me with all her drama!!
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• 11/7/2011 12:33 PM Anonymous wrote:
  DANA JOHNSON - her court hearing starts next Monday 11-14-11 to pick the jury.
  
  Better hurry and get it over so George can re-hire her as Tax Commissioner for payment of keeping her mouth shut about him taking bribes from tobacco retailers.
  
  That is why we won't be selling tobacco soon.
  
  All people willing to lie, cheat, steal, embezzle, take bribes -
  
  GIT ON DOWN TO CREEK NATION IN JANUARY 2012.
  THERE WILL BE A JOB FOR YOU. GIDDY UP.
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  1. 11/10/2011 9:49 AM nonemployee wrote:
     Too true! And the sad thing is that will be the only kind of people he will hire because that is the only kind that would be willing to work for him! They better watch out because the more crooked stuff they do the more they put our sovereignty in jeopardy and then they will have to face 'true justice' and won't have anyone to bail them out!
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• 11/7/2011 1:45 PM Pumaclw wrote:
  VOC, New topic, please (What can we do now?)
  
  It's not over. The Nation's citizens are not helpless, thanks to the constitutional amendments. The citizens can also write laws and repeal them.
  
  Amendment A-59
  Amending existing Article VI: The citizens of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation reserve to themselves the power to propose laws, and enact or reject the same at the polls independent of the National Council, and also reserve power at their own option to approve or reject at the polls any act of the National Council. The First Power reserved by the citizens of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation is the initiative, and eight (8) percent of voters who voted in the last General Election for the office of the Principal Chief shall have the right to propose any legislative measure, and every such initiative. Petition shall include the full text of the measure so proposed, initiative Petitions shall be filed with the Secretary of the Nation, addressed to the Principal Chief, who shall submit the same to the citizen voters at a Special Election unless there is a General Election within 90 days. The National Council shall make suitable provisions for carrying into effect the provisions of this Amendment. The veto power of the Principal Chief shall not extend to measures voted on by the People. Measures referred to the People by initiative shall take effect and be in force when approved by a majority of the votes cast and not otherwise.
  
  If the citizens organize, there is no limit to what can be accomplished. Any thoughts?
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  1. 11/7/2011 6:23 PM Looking at Weakness wrote:
     I see the Creeks as weak willed and weak minded. Look at who you elected for your chief. I had one of you Creeks say to me I bet you are sorry you are Cherokee. WRONG! I would not trade you my chief for yours. Soon you will be sorry you are Creek. And for Creeks coming together and facing up the chief and council? It will never happen. You are a tribe of sheep.
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• 11/7/2011 10:00 PM Concerned 1 wrote:
  With all due respect to Pumaclw & nonemployee's response to the New Topic
  #A-59, Citizens can propose laws, enact or reject. ....
  How is this supposed to function ?
  Didn't the NC circumvent this similar
  process with : http://thevoicesofcourage.com/2011/09/30/past-nc-votes---who-dont-deserve.aspx
  ....?
  Or do I not have a clear
  understanding of what happened ? There
  have been other occasions where the NC
  acted in opposition to the will of the
  Mvskoke people, correct ? Looks bleak to me !
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  1. 11/8/2011 9:35 AM Pumaclw wrote:
     The NC only delayed the "Special Election" in violation of the Constitution. As I recall, the Chief took it to court, who ruled and ordered the NC to fund the "Special Election".
     
     Are you suggesting that the NC might fail to act, again? Probably, but still, they would be on the wrong side of the law as the Constitution is now written and can be taken to court. The citizens would win, assuming we then have a good District Judge. Still, the law is the law.
     
     I didn't say it would be easy. That's where commitment comes in.
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• 11/8/2011 3:44 PM Anonymous wrote:
  SAM ALEXANDER
  The new Speaker of the National Council!!
  
  Does anyone recall the legislation written and sponsored by Sam Alexander to kick anyone off the GOAB that did not have a degree?
  
  He moaned and groaned for eight years about Chief Ellis not having a formal education.
  What Sam meant was he wanted people with Criminal Educations and Backgrounds to run the nation.
  
  The GOAB is as good as gone. Sam has wanted that to be controlled by one person for years. Now he'll get what he wants as Speaker.
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• 11/8/2011 7:33 PM employees wrote:
  We all know and expect the new adminidtration brings in "their own team".
  Many of us are in hopes it is with the intention to provide improved services for the Citizens as well as over all improvement of the tribe. Not to retaliate against someone who George or roger thinks has harmed them. Nor as payment for a vote.
  We will hate to see the disruption in services caused by job changes. We hate to see put in power for paybacks. Besides the problems it will cause for citizens it ultimately cause problems for george.
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  1. 11/9/2011 7:12 PM nonemployee wrote:
     Don't hold your breath on that one! Tiger will retaliate against any who were against him in the election. And many more will be gone who may have just 'sat on the fence' so to speak. For all the promised jobs he made, he would have to fire the whole creek nation and start over to fill them all and then still couldn't fullfil his promises to some. He will put his family in jobs first, then his cronies who are most like him! Enjoy!!! Change is a coming! I think alot of people will think twice about voting for him once they see him in full action and in control of the tribe's money. There won't be much left if he is allowed to stay in power for the full 4 years. He and Roger need to be in jail....they should never been allowed to run in the first place. Someone made a statement about the earthquakes starting on the election night....shortly after votes were counted...maybe a sign?? (by the way there was a big discrepancy in the number of people who signed in to vote and the total number of votes actually counted). Makes sense since the election board and staff were all Tiger supporters.
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     1. 11/10/2011 6:43 AM Anonymous wrote:
        Could that discrepancy be due to the fact that it is not mandatory that a voter make a choice for every open seat? Some people may have voted only for select positions (i.e. chief, second chief, council member in their district) and not completed the full ballot. That's their perogative.
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        1. 11/10/2011 9:55 AM nonemployee wrote:
           Could be...I would expect a few but I don't think hundreds of people would do that. Can't say for sure but it's not the norm to have that much of a discrepancy in numbers.
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• 11/10/2011 12:36 AM early bird wrote:
  I was recently informed by an absentee voter that they was required to vote using a #2 pencil. Now that process could be questionable. They should vote using a marker pen like everyone else was.
  What's up with that?
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  1. 11/10/2011 10:06 AM nonemployee wrote:
     good point! i wonder if flud and hicks had watchers at the absentee counting place or the polls?
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     1. 11/10/2011 9:51 PM Creek voter wrote:
        Voting with pencil was also my concern. These pencils has erasers and can be changed to whatever the counters want. This method must be changed.
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• 11/10/2011 7:31 PM Absentee wrote:
  It specifically states on the absentee yellow card that you are to use a #2 pencil. Just read and follow directions folks. Maybe they didn't think everyone would be able to have access to a black marker and a #2 pencil is easier to get your hands on. Either way someone is going to get their panties in a wad wondering what writing utensil they can use. Why is it such a big deal?
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  1. 11/11/2011 12:27 PM Asked wrote:
     The election people (non-tribal) say a pencil is better because the machine will pick up a pencil even if it was erased. However, non-black ink doesn't always pick up. So, if John Doe makes a mistake and erases a Flud for a Tiger it will show up in the machine as a double vote and not count at all. Only on recount will the counters be able to determine the voters true intent. In an election as close as the Eufaula mayor and the Cherokee Chief elections that gets worked out. Elections like this that have a clear winner? There's no need to work out those minor errors.
     
     Sad outcome for the people but nothing is amiss with the voting system.
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