RAYMOND BOGUMILL files RECALL of 3 JUSTICES of the SUPREME COURT
As stated before, the 3 separate petitions were filed 3/4/11, by Raymond Bogumill to recall Chief Justice Jonodev Chaduri and Justices Amos McNac and Houston Shirley. This was at a cost of $2.00 per district, and he gets a list of all 15,657 voters of the entire Creek Nation, including all absentee voters. He will need to obtain 3,131 signatures (20% of voters), with deadline of May 2, 2011. This felon petitioner now has all of yours and my home addresses.
Following are requirements for Petitions of Removal.
Title 31, §1-301. Removal of Officer. Secretary shall file with the District Court a request to validate a Removal of Public Official Petition, and in open court with a D. C. Judge presiding, the NC, together with the petitioners and Election Board, shall validate or invalidate each and every name and signature on the petition --- and determine that the petition has the required number of valid signatures.
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VOC believes strongly that Mr. Bogumill DID NOT write the petitions. We know who he is, and our thoughts remain that they were written by one of the Council attorneys. And VOC thinks that $2.00 per district, per petition is sorry, but its an amount any of us can probably come up with - when its needed. All the turmoil that continues to pop up is because those Barnett, Fife and Alexander haven't got their way in the courts.
I guess the next NC step will be to file a lawsuit against US District Court Judge Seay as being partisan against the NC!
Following are requirements for Petitions of Removal.
NOTICE OF PETITION TO REMOVE A PUBLIC OFFICER According to Title 31 , Section 1-201, Petition to Remove a Public Officer; Section 1·201
B. I. Petitioners shall file with the Election Board a Notice of Petition 10 remove a Public Official l which shall contain the alleged statutory violation, the office o f the office holder, and the name of an individual who is acting in an official Petitioner capacity. The Election Board shall furnish a certified list of registered voters within three (3) days of the filing of Notice of petition. A fee of two dollars ($2.00) per district which shall include absentee voters shall be charged for the Registered Voter List to defray the cost of materials and processing.
Please refer to Title 31, §1-202. Contents of Petition. (1) specify the staturoty or regulatory provision alleged to have been violated; and (2) state the allegation(s) in common and concise language. The Petition shall not consist merely of allegation(s) stated in statutory or regulatory language.Title 31, §1-301. Removal of Officer. Secretary shall file with the District Court a request to validate a Removal of Public Official Petition, and in open court with a D. C. Judge presiding, the NC, together with the petitioners and Election Board, shall validate or invalidate each and every name and signature on the petition --- and determine that the petition has the required number of valid signatures.
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VOC believes strongly that Mr. Bogumill DID NOT write the petitions. We know who he is, and our thoughts remain that they were written by one of the Council attorneys. And VOC thinks that $2.00 per district, per petition is sorry, but its an amount any of us can probably come up with - when its needed. All the turmoil that continues to pop up is because those Barnett, Fife and Alexander haven't got their way in the courts.
I guess the next NC step will be to file a lawsuit against US District Court Judge Seay as being partisan against the NC!
And for all the kerfluffle, this petition will go nowhere. It's an empty threat, brought as nothing more than bluster, even if by a proxy, by the corrupt members of the NC. They lost in court, over and over and over, and they still haven't figured it out. What a bunch of whining, crybaby losers.
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So I was doing the math the other day and if a councilman makes around 2800/month and if Fife, Barnett and Alexander plan on running for office that means they have to pay that $2500 fine before July 1, since that's the day they file and quit getting a check from Creek Nation. So that means if they take it out between now and the end of June that's over $500 a month. Not to mention the other stuff taken from the check already (taxes, social security, medicare, etc.). So in reality, they'll only be making a little less than $2000 a month. To add on top of that, they lose their check when they file. I wish they would have went to jail.
To further this continuing battle, the budget is still not passed. My question is why is the budget not passed. Let's not point fingers but I want an actual answer from Speaker Barnett, Chief's office, and the Supreme Court Justice. I want to see letters that say "The 2011 FY budget has not been passed because..." I'm tired of this back and forth dilemma. Also, just out of curiosity "Where wast the state of nation address? I believe that is in the Constitution that the Chief must present that. I do know that in light of the circumstances he may not be able to present any information because the information isn't relevant.
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"To further this continuing battle, the budget is still not passed."
Not to worry. Judge Moore ordered in "Ellis v. National Council" that if the NC doesn't do its job and pass a budget by 3/10/11, the 2011 Budget the Chief sent the NC back in August is deemed enacted. That's only 2 days from now.
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I am not Barnett, Chief or Supreme Court Justice, but have seen all of this going on, as a citizen trying to stay informed, and here is what I saw.
The budget deal happened because a couple of years ago, the NC took the submitted budget from the chief. They then started whittling line items, eliminating some, deleting some completely. If they didn't like some dept mgr, they would eliminate the person by simply not allocating any funds to pay that person, among other things. He could probably have worked, but there would be no money to pay him.
Since the NC actions were completely unconstitutional, the chief filed a lawsuit in that the only action allowed NC by the Constitution was to either approve/disapprove the entire budget, and could not alter it. Both courts have agreed with the plaintiff's (Chief) charges, and subsequently, their decisions said so. That's the short story of the beginnings of the budget issue. The courts, I think, have ruled against the NC 2 or 3 times on appeals and more appeals. They just turn around, re-write & alter defense & start over. They just won't accept rulings, period.
When I say the courts, I mean both the District Court and the Supreme Court.
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What did you think would happen when NOTHING is done to them. JUDGE MOORE HAS DONE NOTHING TO THE THIEVES EXCEPT MAKE THEM SPEND TRIBAL FUNDS TO PAY LAWYERS AND PRINT ADDS IN A NEWSPAPER! YOU WOULD BE IN MORE TROUBLE IF YOU GOT CAUGHT SHOPLIFTING AT WAL MART!! (and judge moore I hope your tired of reading my comments, chrip, chrip)
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Fed Up. I understand your frustration, but you are too cynical to even bother reading anymore.
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Then why do you keep reading my post? My comments are written entirely with the intention of getting our so called leaders to DO something besides just give lip service to the issues. If you really understand my frustration then help me gouge, kick, cuss, and drive them into action now not later. Which is worse a corrupt leader, or a just and honest leader that sees corruption and does nothing about it?? Its six of one and a half dozen of the other. But then I'm too cynical to bother reading any more.
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If Council Members file for office, they get to keep their positions and maintain their "stipends".
They also have the power/authority to increase their stipends. Tom Pickering was able to increase the stipends from $150 to $2,800 right after he was re-elected.
Back then, the Council's budget was under $1 Million. I think I've seen Council's budget over $3 Million.
It would be interesting to see how much $$ has been spent under A.D.'s leadership fighting the Council. Probably more than enough to finish the Muti-year Building, and build a new hospital.
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I seem to remember Chief Ellis vetoed the NC salary increases, but of course, they overrode his veto.
I hope you are not suggesting that we would be better off if the Chief just let the NC take over? Take over the Lighthorse police power of the Nation, take over the Budget, take over the Judicial Branch, take over all hiring, and take over the casinos, and how about letting them write their own constitution? I for one am glad he has stood in the way of their take over. If the NC had total control, good luck getting anything for the citizens, unless NC family contractors were used to build them.
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The law states: "a certified list of registered voters" not all that personal info - again we don't look at our laws, everybody wants to be Chief & not legislators.
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You are so right. The Election Board has really blown it. And I bet they never even thought of what they were doing. And I wonder if it was a "certified list of registered voters?" No, that surely doesn't included personal info like home addresses. Everybody want to act smart, no matter what, when they aren't.
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Is this the same Raymond Bogumill(see below)? And he has all of our names and addresses? Sounds like we need to all start packing a pistol!
District Court Public Records
Found: 5 records.
Searched For:
Name: bogumill,
Plaintiffs and Defendants
Page: 1 County Case Number Filed On Party Case Offense/Cause
McIntosh CF-2001-00022 01/30/2001 Defendant - BOGUMILL, RAYMOND STATE OF OKLAHOMA vs. BOGUMILL, RAYMOND SHOOTING WITH INTENT TO KILL
McIntosh CF-2001-00236 10/18/2001 Defendant - BOGUMILL, RAYMOND STATE OF OKLAHOMA vs. BOGUMILL, RAYMOND POSSESSION OF A FIREARM AFTER CONVICTION OF A FELONY
McIntosh CF-2002-00208 12/16/2002 Defendant - BOGUMILL, RAYMOND STATE OF OKLAHOMA vs. BOGUMILL, RAYMOND UNLAWFUL POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED DANGEROUS SUBSTANCE
McIntosh CF-1999-00132 06/17/1999 Defendant - BOGUMILL, RAYMOND STATE OF OKLAHOMA vs. BOGUMILL, RAYMOND FELONIOUSLY POSSESSING A FIREARM
McIntosh SC-2000-00061 03/31/2000 Defendant - BOGUMILL, RAYMOND HOUSING AUTHORITY CREEK NATION vs. BOGUMILL, RAYMOND ENTRY & DETAINER
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How pathetic is it that the corrupt members of the NC have only a repeatedly-convicted felon to act as their proxy to try and attack the members of the Supreme Court who did their job and ruled properly and correctly.
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RPP wrote earlier about the budget approval by the NC is approaching, with deadline of 3-10-11. Well, the NC has scheduled one of their "emergency meetings" for this evening at 6:30pm. Two budget related items are on the agenda. Should it Be? Could it Be? Would it Be? In my judgment, highly unlikely they would now pass the budget. That is unless Roger has finally seen the light, and now has strengthen his backbone to act like a leader, since he is the speaker.
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A leopard doesn't change his spots. I would have to see it to believe it. I somehow believe there will be games with the Budget. I see two versions on their agenda, one that states Budget with exclusions sponsored by Alexander. I don't like the look of this. There only options are to approve it or not. Do I see another contempt charge coming? If so, I would love to see the contempt charged filed by one of the NC. The Judge made it easy to happen. I would vote for the NC representative that took a stand against the troublemakers. Is there one with the B---s?
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Your right he made it easy for them to just keep going and going and going. Or he (the Judge) will just give them a spank on the hand AGAIN or make them pay for fines or lawyers out of their budget but wait that's still tribal funds (our money) isn't it? That will really teach them a lesson. (and that chirping sound you hear is their muffled laughs)
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I would like to hear your suggestions of what punishment should be handed them by the courts. You don't agree with the fines, so there is always censure, imprisonment, or just shut the hell up?
Censure doesn't mean anything to them, and there isn't enough evidence to send them to jail.
My suggestion: To just shut & fire all your attorneys just might be the punishment they could not endure though.
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Whoa there trigger,you seem to overlook the "fines" you mentioned I guess it would be in bad taste to suspend all their wages, what about all the money they steal in phony mileage and expenses(cell phones, ect.)??? But I guess there's not enough evidence of that.
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When did I write that I didn't agree with fines? I stated that I didn't think they were very effective when the crook's fines are paid with tribal funds (our money). Why do you disagree with the concept that the crooks should pay their fines out of THEIR own pockets?
That's right you don't.
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to Fed up
you have stated under another topic that you are Creek by marriage. While we appreciate the concern that you have for your wife's tribe, the "tribal funds (our money)" that you speak of are not yours. Your commits now carry the same weight as the white attorneys that represent the NC. You sir are an interloper, let your wife speak for her self. If you can't vote you can't help.
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The truth is the truth no matter what color you happen to be. As far as speaking for "my wife" I'll just let you wonder if I speak for my husband or not, further more to satisfy your requirement for I's to be dotted and T's to be crossed I personally had him or her approve all the statements that are printed. Do you tell you "white/thin blood" wife, husband, relatives or children that they don't matter? I doubt it. How dare you compare me to one of the "white" attorneys that YOU are supporting with your bigoted comments. I suspect that your comments are to sooth the ruffled feathers on a lead bottomed judge that is scared to do anything but crow like a sick rooster. You and he are in need of a good ole neck ringing. Take a good look at the Chiefs lawyer, you know, the one that is responsible for doing your job of taking care of the CREEK NC and community thieves looks mighty "white" to me and he can't vote . So tell me again how ineffective or unimportant my/our voice is. (chirp,chirp are you still hearing the bugs in your house?)
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Greetings to all posters on this thread. It seems that finally some actions are about to happen in our tribal government. Which is what many have waited patiently to happen. I do not know who any of you are and if you know me great and if you don't, I assure you I am no one of any significants. Fed Up continue your rants all voices need to be heard. If I understand correctly then your children will be 1/4 creeks and eligible to be recognized as a full citizen. So, you have the opportunity to be a part of the raising of possible future tribal leaders. As for myself, I suffered the misfortune of being raised by people that discouraged me from experiencing my culture while growing up. So, please continue being concerned with the tribal government as this will hopefully encourage your offspring to also be concerned and interested.
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kenny, Thank you for not just dismissing my message as "ignorance of government operations" but everyone (yourself included) seems to only focus on whether or not I'm a full/thin/no blood citizen, not on my message about nothing being done to any of the crooks that are stealing our very tribe away. My message is the truth and it doesn't matter whether I'm a full blood or a thin blood the truth is the truth. Working together is the only answer to saving the MCN. BUT I've listened to all the "wait just a little longer" "till things are prefect" as long as I'm going to and if that's rant and raving then so be it, get your earplugs ready.
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Council, you are doing a great job in choosing the ones to represent your desires on those impeachment / recall petitions. You have chosen 3 citizens from McIntosh district to do your (by proxy) dirty work, with those 3 not having too spiffy of reputations. Another one you chose was E. Mouss (II, III or whatever) who is also well known in the Creek population. Apparently you have no reputable followers if you have to go that low to file petitions for you. I could give you a couple of more low on our totem pole names.
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