NOTICE TO OUR CONTRIBUTORS
VOC will be removing several topics, mostly those dated 2010 and possibly some in January 2011. If you would like to copy some of the information, please do it soon. We are still keeping some court cases which are still in limbo (Supreme Court), such as the Community/Casino cases and a few other topics.
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We been allowing a few comments to slip by that do not relate to pertinent topics. And we are requesting that you try to adhere to our long time policy that if you are making a comment that needs a solution, submit your idea of a solution at the same time.
A lot of information some are requesting can be obtained from the various branches and departments at the Muscogee (Creek) Nation, or from their website, although we try to post whatever we can get a hold of. Our primary purpose is to be informational with documentation on hand. So please be co-operative.
We have begun to delete unrelated comments, and a few that are just totally ridiculous. It will remain our judgment.
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We been allowing a few comments to slip by that do not relate to pertinent topics. And we are requesting that you try to adhere to our long time policy that if you are making a comment that needs a solution, submit your idea of a solution at the same time.
A lot of information some are requesting can be obtained from the various branches and departments at the Muscogee (Creek) Nation, or from their website, although we try to post whatever we can get a hold of. Our primary purpose is to be informational with documentation on hand. So please be co-operative.
We have begun to delete unrelated comments, and a few that are just totally ridiculous. It will remain our judgment.
I am re-submitting my comment that didn't get printed in "Recent Comments" MVTO
"early bird wrote:
My computer went on the "blink" and just got it repaired.
I wanted to inform you'll that the conversation on the "Town Hall" meeting for Creek citizens is still in the making.
In trying to obtain the Mounds Auditorium the Supreme Court office (who has the responsibility of giving consent on use of the Auditorium) advice the judicial will be busy Oct-November with hearings and such so group decided it would probably be better to schedule after the holidays; meantime meeting will be scheduled for planning activities.
Will keep everyone informed on the status of such meetings."
OKISCE
(VOC: That comment was posted 11/4/2010 @ 9:24PM under topic: Complicity, Collusion, Collaboration,Conspiracy.)
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Alrighty, Sorry my bad.
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What happened to the RiverSpirit comment section? Cant even find it in the archives?
(VOC: For now, it is un-published, along with several older topics mostly from January 2011. We were also starting to get too many comments unrelated to the topic.)
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"Complicity,Collusion, Collaboration, Conspiracy"
I don't even see that title in the archives. Does that mean that our announcements are like a "Conspiracy"
against government. I hope not cause that is far from what we are doing.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
(VOC: That topic has not been removed, so it isn't in the archives. It is still an open topic.)
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you should remove this site altogether, its making the whole tribe look bad regardless of the truth or not!
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What do you think causes this problem of making the tribe look bad? Could it be that we are able to find out so many things on the web that those elected people never bother to tell us? I am one of the citizens who will double check on the truth of what is posted by the Voices and I have yet to find out one lie that have put on this site. Don't you want to know what is going on and think all those elected officials would let us know on their own? I guess you don't think we should know whats going on in our tribe. This has been the only place we have learned who and what is causing us to look bad. And it ain't this website.
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Well said, anon, and I agree.
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I see how this site has not hurt the tribe, but how has it helped?
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No.... Where else can the general public read the senseless rantings of the Chief Ellis and Pat Moore supporters no matter how much damage those two are causing the Nation. Per VOC's directive, here is a solution: banish Moore from the Nation....now!!
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Wow Loser, you must be one of the criminals charged for a crime in his courtroom; to bad so sad!!!
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To Anonymous
That has to be one of the most stupid comment ever made on this web site. "look bad regardless of the truth or not!" INDEED
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your right we should just turn everything to ole george now and stick our collective heads back in the sand.
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This just in. The NC shenanigans continue:
Pending legislation in the NC to fire two packs of lawyers and hire two new packs.
Also Sam Alexander sponsors a bill to make him and his Council pals immune from lawsuits. Of course, even if it passes, its unconstitutional and cannot be enforced. But that's never stopped Sam before.
http://mcnnc.com/images/stories/pdfagendas/31711bg.pdf
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OK, wait...they REJECTED Montie Deer as the District Court Judge when he was nominated to replace Pat Moore, but they want him as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court? What's up with that?
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The way I see it the NC finds this as a way to embarrass & humiliate a nominee, for only one reason, to turn the screws on the Chief. It never matters that nominees have been submitted who are extremely qualified. It gets on the agenda for only one reason. When its time to vote, its predetermined they will vote against any of the Chief's nominees. They have already said that's what they will do. This is why they will shoot down a willing and able citizen. Especially one who may or may not be an agreeable person. They want to be sure. I think they are still making plans for ROGER WILEY and even THEIR NC ATTORNEY, YONNE TIGER. Rumors are out there.
We all realize Montie Deer is a well qualified man as a Court Judge or as a Judge on the Supreme Court. What we also know is that Mr. Deer is much smarter and much more knowledgeable than any on the NC. That is another reason they will not vote for him. They don't like that one iota.
The advise and consent process has surely gone to hell-in-a-hand-basket. I would guess it was originally a system to assist the branches in working together. Now it has become a weapon.
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Time has come for the citizens to amend the Constitution take the council out of this process and put it in the hands of the citizens in a similar fashion as Oklahoma handles appointments for Judges a judicial nomination commission and for other Director type appointments a purely citizen review board or allow a Principal Chief to appoint whomever he or she wants, thereby removing politicians with personal axes to grind. Currently this council cannot even be trusted to see the government continues to function for the benefit of the citizens.
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That is classic. The only good thing on that page was something that will fail that agenda - Montie Deere. He's a good guy and would be a credit to the Supreme Court.
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Business & Governmental Committee
It always amazes me to see the NC agendas. Why don’t they get it? Everything always seems to be about them and nothing for the Nation and citizens. I see Roger Barnett has 2 NCR laws to fire outside attorneys and hire a new firm. I can understand firing since the NC can’t seem to find attorneys that can win. They think it is the attorneys and not their undefendable positions. Well, maybe the new attorneys he wants to hire have magical hats.
Then, here comes Alexander sponsoring ANOTHER unconstitutional law to make the Office of the Controller an Independent Agency, obviously trying to usurp the Executive Branch ... Again! How many times does he have to be slapped down before he gets it? Maybe he is just pissed that the controller took his $2,500 Contempt fine out before he got it and thinks he might find another way to get his money in the future, when it happens again. I don’t see any benefits for the citizens, but how would we know. We never get to see the proposed legislation before the NC votes on them. No, we never get to see the legislation at all until the Chief’s office sends it out, usually attached to his veto.
I see that approving the Budget is again on the agenda sponsored by Alexander. I think the NC has missed their chance to approve it, but then he may still be trying to defund the Executive and Judicial Branches. His and the NC’s actions are going to get them back in court, but maybe that is anticipated since he is also sponsoring legislation to appropriate funds for legal services, plus legislation to obtain Sovereign Immunity for the NC, titled “Suits Against the Muscogee (Creek) Nation”.
I really wished the citizens had the chance to review and comment on NC legislation. We might even like (unlikely) some of them and support them. Unfortunately, most recent laws seem to be designed to protect and support the NC and promote their attempted self-orchestrated rise to dominance over the Creek government.
Now comes one bright light in the darkness, a proposed law sponsored by David Nichols to establish a Public Officials Ethics Commission. I would love to see this legislation in its entirety. This finally might truly be a law for the citizens and Nation. Unfortunately, it probably won’t get far in the current NC. I don’t think they are too interested in ethics and policing their own.
I have to wonder about NCA 11-038: a donation of $580,000.00 (can this be correct?) to fund a Mvskoke Language immersion program sponsored by Williams. It sounds interesting but at this high cost? That’s a lot of money! It would be nice to know more about this.
Wouldn’t it be great if the NC used a Litmus Test on legislation? Is it good for the citizens and the Nation? How about sponsoring and passing legislation REQUIRING all proposed legislation be posted and available for review and comments prior to voting on it. Now that would be good for the citizens and the Nation, and of course,
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Pumaclw,.. do you not know how laws get passed in the Nation ? Any and all proposed legislation is reviewed first by the B & G Committee ( Business & Govt. )which your buddy Sam Alexander is the chairman of. All you have to do, if you want to comment, is call the Nat'l Council Off. and find out when the next B & G meeting is and show up and have your say! That is,if you're not too busy typing on your computer...or live in Timbuktu like a lot of people on here do.
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Since this site was supposed to have been established to monitor the actions of the Nation Council. How about between now and election make them accountable. Beginning with reporting of how each member votes on issue that effect the operation of the Nation as a hole not the personal favors to individuals that seem to make up most of the agenda. The major resolutions pertaining to restrictions on the other branches of Government. The voting on judicial nominees and so forth. As a start how they voted on the conformation of Judge Monte Deere the MCN paper no longer reports the votes for some reason or another. What was the agenda of the emergency session Tuesday night.
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Johnny Humble; How about you finding all that out yourself and then putting it on here ? Don't know how to do that ? Its easy, just call the National Council Office and ask to have the latest copy of the Council meeting minutes faxed (or mailed ) to you. Then you can read it yourself.
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Fvswvce
Thanks for the flame I'm glad I made your day. It seems that you would have all the voters that want access to information on the National Council activates should call the National Council office for it. Not a bad idea but not practical. Since you have exhibited a superior working knowledge of the National Council and are quick to criticize others on their lack of why not be a good guy and help VOC out with this. But wait that is not your objective, is it?
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No Johnny, thats not my objective. My objective was to educate people on how to find out for themselves. I forgot how impractical it would be for so many people to call the national council office,..wouldn't want them to think more than one person cares alright. Knowledge can be a terribly intimidating weapon,..if you don't have any. Just trying to help. (flame off)
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This is how they voted on TR 11-021, 3/26/211 on Montie Deer: (11 YES, 14 NO)
YES - Alexander, Anderson, Beaver, Bruner, Greene, Hufft, Jennings, Johnson, Nichols, Willits and Yahola.
NO - Ade, Fife, Hill, Dornan, Jones, LaGrone, Medina, Proctor, Ridge, Scott, Thomas, Tiger, Williams and Wind.
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On 3/29/2011 Emergency Session, they had 4 bills, PLUS Executive Session on COUNSEL LITIGATION.
NCA 11-041: Approving the Comprehensive Annual Budget with Exclusions for FY 2011 and providing for appropriations. FAILED 3 Yes, 19 No.
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NCA 11-046: Approving a continuing Budget Ordinance and Providing for appropriations and authorization for Expenditures for FY 2011. APPROVED 14 Yes, 8 No.
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NCA 11-061: Authorizing a donation to assist in sponsoring the 9th Annual Okla. Native American Youth Language Fair. Approved: 21 Yes, 1 No.
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NCA 11-063: Approving a continuing budget ordinance and providing for appropriations and authorization for expenditures for certain programs for FY 2011. TO POSTPONE: 22 Yes, 0 No.
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VOC tries to report actions by the NC that are obviously wrong, contrary to the Constitution. We also ask everyone to keep abreast of items themselves, which are posted on the MCN website. It isn't easy to get information timely, as its not readily available to any of us. We also depend on our sources, and thanks to all of them for their assistance. We aren't a newspaper, just a group of Creeks, as we have stated before.
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The next "Creek Citizens, Speak Out" meeting will be held Saturday April 9, 2011, 1:30-4:30 p.m. at the Glenpool Indian Smoke Shop, 13839 S. Casper, Glenpool Ok. (Casper runs adjacent to Hwy 75).
We will be listening and collecting written concerns about the status of our CN government which will be turned in to each branch for their awareness and response. It will also provide information about their interest in their constituents concerns. Your participation is encouraged. MVTO
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(VOC: From the beginning, it has been to inform the citizens of how the council has performed and the problems they have created by not adhering to our tribal laws and Constitution, especially the Constitution.
We firmly believe that most of the problems which are plaguing our nation are directly related to Council's actions, and that is the reason VOC opened this website.
We don't belong to the chief, council or the A. G., and some of us are employees, and some of the NC are also kinfolks of ours, but we can't condone wrong. We're all Creek citizens - full bloods -- doing what we can to help inform other citizens. We don't take money from any one, only from our own pockets, to run this website. It has been almost 5 years since we began this effort.
We don't know how we may have helped to inform citizens, but the hits we get on this site may be indicative as it runs into thousands per month.)
Or, are you going to believe in us, or in your own lyin’ eyes?
There is a good bit of evidence that suggests the VOC has no credibility and it is not a force in Creek politics. Here is why: The Council still rules; the citizens have not acted, and there is no evidence that “information” in the form of the VOC website has had any influence in reforming our government. It appears that the VOC is just limping along, being kept alive by a few remaining, crabby, true believers, and a host of voyeurs.
The VOC is neither here nor there and that makes me wonder why the wonderful people at the VOC continue to spend good money on keeping it going. The VOC knows who I am, and that I have been an ardent supporter from day one. I don‘t want the VOC to fail, but sadly it might be too late for that. I have a good handle on the pulse of the community and I can say with certainty that it has frittered away an opportunity to make a good first impression.
Are the thousands of hits per month worth anything? Who would know for sure? Certainly not by the perceived results. The VOC is all we have and it is not advisable to get rid of anything that provides facts and knowledge. In the end, its only value should be measured by the fulfillment of goals in its mission statement. There is a sickening sense though, that the VOC has been swallowed up by the huge Creek nemesis under which we struggle; institutionalism and tradition. I respect the folks at the VOC, but I have this sense of detachment by doubts of what is actually being achieved by their website.
Results are measured by objectives and goals and by objectively measuring them based on fact, experience, or some other measurable quality. The way to fail is to be influenced by personal feelings and lyin’ eyes.
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MVTO! Anonymous! for saying what you said. as far as VOC being "full bloods"...I don't think so. Only someone from outside the Nation, would believe that. If I had to explain it,..you wouldn't(want)to understand it anyway.
As someone else who "has a good hand on the pulse of the community and tribe" I have to say, you have frittered away your chance to make a credible impact on this tribe by allowing so many hateful and useless posts to be made.
Do you honestly think someone is going to continue to post an frank, informed, impartial opinion when you allow people to insult and degrade those comments in answer to that idea ?
Face it. This tribe is polarized to the nth degree! Granted, you have been trying to weed out posts that only whine or complain and not offer a solution except for WE NEED A CHANGE!
But you could be doing so much more.
If you paid a little bit more attention to whats being said you could turn this website into something positive that might contribute to a change in this tribe.
As far as .. ("VOC being swallowed up by institutionalism and tradition),...I say they've been eaten up by the petty in-fighting and jealousy that have plagued us from the beginning.
Every time you let some ignorant, hateful person post a remark that insults or makes fun of, a thought or idea expressed by someone who really cares,...you drive people away from this website.
As far as I'm concerned you have let the Haters and the Ignorant take over this website by enabling them to have a forum to spout their venom!
Turn away from the "DARK SIDE" and deprive those people of their hateful, ignorant opnions.
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If you think this website is too full of hate and too trivial, take a look at other Creek related sites that are available. Who is the dark side?
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I have looked at the other websites and agree, they're a lot worse. On those, I see no redeeming value except to allow people to vent their frustrations.
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