CREEK NATION CORRUPTION - LET'S WRITE LETTERS
New topic as requested.
VOC: Our MCN is now rampant with corruption, from the Tribal Attorney General and the National Council leaders and their partners on the NC, including their attorneys. If the feds should contact us, we know what names and facts to supply and that will be done.
They have made a mockery of the Executive Branch and the Judicial Branch. They have stone-walled our Chief from attempting to keep our tribe solvent, and his attempts to keep everything legally above board.
Corruption leads down to some Communities and their leaders/constituents. We all know about the protection they're getting. How else can they steal tribal money and not a whisper of any lawsuit against any of those individuals.
We have even heard that the NC is corrupting the Supreme Court with certain contacts. This is wrong and ethical in which the Federal officials should be very interested. By and large, we know the NC has absolutely no respect for our courts. All they're interested in are judges who might hand down friendly decisions on the lawsuits already filed and those other lawsuits that will be forthcoming from the NC.
This all boils down to the NC not wanting to abide by our MCN Constitution. Even when citizens have said what they want, the NC continues to ignore all legal aspects, by simply trashing our votes. They have tried to subvert our votes, are trying to keep us from voting on properly passed Constitutional Amendments. In short, the NC leaders want to run the whole show even when they don't know how but will do anything to keep duly elected Chief and appointed Judges from performing their mandated jobs.
WE NEED TO WRITE LETTERS, ALL OF US, TO GET OUR STORY OUT. I think certain news agencies and people all over the country read these pages, along with all of our absentee voters living outside our local boundaries. We need help.
VOC: Our MCN is now rampant with corruption, from the Tribal Attorney General and the National Council leaders and their partners on the NC, including their attorneys. If the feds should contact us, we know what names and facts to supply and that will be done.
They have made a mockery of the Executive Branch and the Judicial Branch. They have stone-walled our Chief from attempting to keep our tribe solvent, and his attempts to keep everything legally above board.
Corruption leads down to some Communities and their leaders/constituents. We all know about the protection they're getting. How else can they steal tribal money and not a whisper of any lawsuit against any of those individuals.
We have even heard that the NC is corrupting the Supreme Court with certain contacts. This is wrong and ethical in which the Federal officials should be very interested. By and large, we know the NC has absolutely no respect for our courts. All they're interested in are judges who might hand down friendly decisions on the lawsuits already filed and those other lawsuits that will be forthcoming from the NC.
This all boils down to the NC not wanting to abide by our MCN Constitution. Even when citizens have said what they want, the NC continues to ignore all legal aspects, by simply trashing our votes. They have tried to subvert our votes, are trying to keep us from voting on properly passed Constitutional Amendments. In short, the NC leaders want to run the whole show even when they don't know how but will do anything to keep duly elected Chief and appointed Judges from performing their mandated jobs.
WE NEED TO WRITE LETTERS, ALL OF US, TO GET OUR STORY OUT. I think certain news agencies and people all over the country read these pages, along with all of our absentee voters living outside our local boundaries. We need help.
NEW TOPIC, MAYBE?
It's time we start contacting the U.S. Attorney's office about the corruption in our Tribe.
Roger Wiley & National Council are going to continue to protect the lawbreakers of the Nation.
TRADE & COMMERCE CORRUPTION
Muskogee Region:
US Attorney
Sheldon Sperling
1200 W. Okmulgee
Muskogee, OK 74401-6848
If we start flooding this office with complaints maybe, just maybe the FBI will start an investigation.
Muscogee Nation does not have a PROSECUTOR. We have to get the Feds involved.
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Names & addresses of those holding positions who would be interested in our MCN issues and problems.
1. Thomas S. Woodward, U. S. Attorney
Criminal Division
1200 W. Okmulgee St.
Muskogee OK 74401
2. R. Trent Shores, Asst. U.S. Attorney
Tribal Liaison
110 W. 7th St. - Suite 300
Tulsa OK 74119
3. Larry EchoHawk, Assistant Secretary
Office of Secretary of Interior
Indian Affairs Department
1849 C St, NW
Washington DC 20240
4. H. Marshall Jarrett, Director
U. S. Department of Justice
Rm 2261, RFK Main Justice Bldg.
950 Pennsylvania Ave, NW
Washington DC 20530
Please, do write letters about our run-away tribal council and the problems it has caused. We do have corruption leading the issues, the fact that the NC is not following our Constitution (abetted by the A. G.) and total disregard of the MCN citizens in our government, Tribal Attorney General is filing lawsuit against everyone and other branches but not one against thieves & embezzlers, our voting powers which are being ignored. You can come up what you feel is the priority problem, and if they have more than my letters, it could bring some much needed attention of the Feds to our tribe. Let them know everything, name names, etc.
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REFORM IS A COMING!!!!
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The problems the Nation is having would be more like writing a real thick book. Your idea is really good though. It's time to take action.
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"Every Government Degenerates when trusted to the elected officers, alone, the people themselves are its only safe depository" Thomas Jefferson
It is time for the Creek People to notify all elected officials straighten up immediately of you will be shipped out. Too many council persons are only weak followers.
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its time for some pitchforks and torches
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The National Council's actions concerning the communities that had gaming and the 50/50 split is against any law.
* The severance pay for Fife & Wind
* Trips taken by the 30 or 40 people with per diem paid at $400.00 per day and all expenses paid even for non-Creeks
* The appliances, trucks, lawn equipment
These things amounted in the millions of dollars for a small handfull of people.
There is a new bill in the NC for Checotah - pay for some real estate they bougnt $190,000.00. Is this another purchase like Eufaula at $400,000.00 for $68,000.00 appraised land?
Wiley won't do a thing & NC is still trying to funnel money to them all.
We're writing the Feds.
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Well, the latest fiasco doing with the almighty Speaker of our almighty National Council probably trumps any other actions they've taken in the past. It seems that the Speaker has sent letters to the District Court and Law Clinic requesting all records that might be needed for the forensic audit the NC pushed for. Excuse Me?? The NC wants the records first before passing it on to an audit firm? The heat must really be getting to Barnett. He has a snowball's chance in hades in getting those records. The NC has no right to those records!! End of story!! By the way, who is the NC going to hire to do the audit? Probably Sam Alexander. That's the trend of our almighty council.
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Take a look at the latest on the Seminole Nation of Florida. Now their credit rating has been affected by the improper use of gaming Revenue along with all of their Hard Rock Activities. The Seminoles were guilty of the same wrong use of gaming revenue our National Council keeps approving for the communities(See National Gaming Commission Notice of Violation NOV-10-01 PLUS THE FEDERAL COURT CONDEMNED THE MUSCOGEE(CREEK) NATION IN THE LATEST TOBACCO CASE WE LOST saying if we had a Tobacco Compact with the State of Oklahoma the result in the lawsuit would have been different, in other words Tiger, Barnett, Alexander, Fife and crew have now exposed the entire Nation to not only a bad credit rating BUT also caused the loss of a federal lawsuit and SOVEREIGNTY that would have been avoided if the Tobacco Compact worked out by AD Ellis four years ago had been approved. Now persons (common Creek citizens) are personally subject to fines, disgorgedment of profits for selling Trade and Commerce provided illegal cigarettes and the community smoke shops will go down with everyone else associated with such sales. Wonderful advise on both issues GAMING & TOBACCO by the same people TIGER, BARNETT, ALEXANDER,FIFE and their followers, YOU WOULD THINK THESE COUNCIL MEMBERS WORKED FOR ANOTHER COMPETING TRIBE AND GUESS WHAT YOU WOULD BE RIGHT THEY WANT TO HELP ANOTHER TRIBAL TOWN OPEN A CASINO IN TULSA. Any comments?
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Just a suggestion on how to address a letter to the Government...hope this helps...
http://www.wikihow.com/Address-a-Letter-to-a-Government-Official
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what is the removal process for council members? and the last vote still up to the NC?
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We need to demand a forensic audit of the National Council. They seem to be wanting audits of everybody else, it would only be fair for them to be audited. We need to know which members of the NC receive the most compensation for mileage and trips out of State. I beleive that some members of the NC make a living off of mileage alone. Prove me wrong NC!
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I think if the Principal Chief requested a forensic audit of the National Council both financial and operational it would bring out a lot of unlawful activities.
It would maybe encourage them to do things with open "checks and balances". you think?
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Look in the Constitution. The process of removing a council member is written in there. Although, just between us girls, I doubt the council will approve such an act. The constitution states that you must have I believe "10% or 20%" of the voters in a district to remove a council person. The council is suppose to have set up a procedure in which to remove someone from office. If this happens, the council will go in an uproar!!! No one call tell them what to do, but if the people want this, then the people should go through with it. Best of luck to you as you chase the white rabbit down the hole. I hope you don't get lost or stuck. "Believe in the impossible, fear the unexpected, but do the unbelievable."
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If we want a NC member gone in our district NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT!!
20% of votes cast in a district is much less than 20% of the Nations votes cast.
Remember next year the National Council will be elected by the NATION not just one district.
Example - Tulsa:
20% if votes cast in the last election
20% of 300 = 60 votes
20% of 3000 = 600 votes
60 is about what it would take to get rid of almost any National Council member from a district except Okmulgee or McIntosh.
The largest populated district is Tulsa with about 12,000 citizens and only 300 show up to vote.
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wasn't sure if the constitution I had pulled off the internet was the correct one which is why I asked,but according to the one I have read it requires a 20% of voters in each district, and the final votes is up to the NC. Which is a major loop hole if a corrupt member has buddies on the NC.
(VOC: You have stated 20% of district voters as a requirement, and that is another big hurdle because the Election Board has too many '''dead and unqualified " names on their list as qualified voters, and they just will not clean up their lists. This particular issue, in fact, is a roadblock and the EB has previously been perceived as part of the corruption.)
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You are right; it takes 20% of registered voters to remove a Representative from office. But that is not the full story. There is no way that anyone is going to remove a Representative. It would take a lot of people working a lot of hours to get 20% to sign a petition. If a petition drive were successful, it would still not make not make any difference since the Constitution says that the Council will discipline its own members.
The Attorney General wanted to use this argument when he argued in District Court that the Chief went beyond his authority in removing the board and terminating the employees of the Trade and Commerce Authority. The AG argued that the National Council had oversight and they should be the ones to discipline anyone from Trade and Commerce without anyone interfering. Had the Attorney General prevailed and the National Council took control in the matter of the Trade and Commerce, the Council could protect any of its members if they participated in what appears to be a case where the potential for massive fraud to occur existed. The Council lost its bid in the District Court to take control in the matter of the Trade and Commerce Authority but it doesn’t matter, since the National Council is stopping the Attorney General from investigation the Trade and Commerce Authority.
So as you can see, citizen do not live in a country of laws, but in a country where they are ruled by laws.
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Same old arguments as AG Wiley coyote has moved up his lawsuit against the Chief as he represents the T & C Board, and has made an appeal to the Supreme Court on 7-26-10. Several arguments stated. As a plain citizen, its just a lot of double-talk to me.
Roger states it was at the whims of the chief. Another statement is that 'no matter what the reason or justification given'. This is what many citizens are upset about. The AG is not concerned with the corruption that was going on at the T & C. Even I am reading flaws in the appeal too.
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Roger Wylie did nothing concerning Trade and Commerce during his entire term SO all the coffee lattes, sexual trips,Chinese $500,000 gifts, marginal land deals and bonus payments are essentially Roger Wylie's fault and he is responsible for allowing those activities to take place(he absolutely did nothing), not to mention all the Tribal money irresponsibility spent (given) away by the communities.
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Not for nothin' but...I think Michael Wisener bears the brunt of blame here. For all we know, poor ole' Roger Wiley is probably as hog-tied and ham-stringed as every other MCN employee when it comes to actually accomplishing anything of great and galactic import. Thankfully, the balance of world power doesn't reside within the AG's office or the MCNation as a whole.
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If memory serves me, I believe there was a Chief some years back that tried to by pass the infighting of the council by setting forth a constitutional vote that gave the Chief final say on all matters - is this correct??? who was it???
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Most of the 300 voting didn't even show up. They were mostly absentee voters. That brings up another subject, in that we have had a lot of complaints on this blog about absentee voters are running and ruining our elections. Many, many of the Tulsa voters live right here in the Tulsa district who just prefer to vote by mail, and that's a good thing.
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The Seminole Nation of Florida has been informed by the National Indian Gaming Commission to require each and every person who received gaming revenue improperly to make them pay the money back to the treasury or else the Seminole Nation will be assessed fines at $25,000.00 per day per offense. After another review of the community audits and the gaming revenue paid out improperly it looks like Creek Nation is in for some very trying times all because of the current and some former National Council representatives dipping into gaming revenue. Any one who believes Tom Pickering, Daniel Wind, Jeff Fife have the where with all to repay the money they received call Mike Wisner he has an investment in a Chinese company that is too good a deal to pass up and Geo. Tiger needs a campaign contribution for a future Creek Nation job as General Flunky in charge of graft and corruption, prerequisite you need to be a person wanted by the law for issuing rubber checks, coupled with a zero credit rating,and no steady employment record gosh looks like a job several current council members could qualify for.
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What do you think about the new supreme court judge living in Arizona and the other supreme court person is 1/68 blood?We have no one except our beloved Pat Moore to look out for us!!We are fortunate to have him and Mr. McNac knows aabout the residence of the new judge...HA!
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Come on folks. Write those letters to all those names about our evil wrong-doers and the corruption being wrought on our tribe.
This is one place where you do not have to feel fear of being found out - not like within our tribe, so lets get it done.
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I think that the real concern is that everyone on this blog seems to think that Patrick Moore is the only one capable of being a Judge for the Muscogee Creek Nation. The reality is that it's not beneficial for the same people could stay in certain positions for years on end. I agree that he is a wonderful Judge and has done much good for our Nation. However, I believe that MORE CREEK people should be striving to obtain the necessary education to fill such positions. Maybe then Council and Chief would have some minute chance of agreeing on at least ONE person. This entire situation is out of control and it's ludicrous that any Indian person would suggest that we should ask the Federal Government to end this dispute. Most of these concerns should be voiced IN PERSON AT A COUNCIL MEETING. How about running in the next election and being the elected to be involved in resolution to these issues. Also, there should be no problem with any department at any tribe being forensically audited. Corruption is rampant everywhere. It's out of line, it hurts all citizens, and it calls into question the legitimacy of the Tribe being able to govern itsself and its affairs. So, if any department has been asked to produce documents, they should produce them. If they've got nothing to hide, there shouldn't be a problem. The money circulated at the Tribe should be for the benefit of the CITIZENS and if they've (the directors) been doing their job ethically and in a prudent manner, then they should have no problem with anyone viewing how any program funds have been spent.
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I don't think the judicial branch nor the executive branch is afraid of any audit. The problem is the NC demanding an audit of of another branch of government, totally out of its authority, overreaching. By the same token, would the NC allow another branch of our govt. to demand an audit of the NC? I don't think so. Personally, I hope it will occur.
And about your comment that "its ludicrous that any Indian person would suggest that we should ask the Fed. Govt. to end this dispute" is because so many of us have reached the end of hoping and working for UNITY. The NC is responsible for the primary reasons. They have gone from assisting a couple of groups who tried to impeach the Chief, to officially censuring the Chief because things didn't go their way. Are still making attempts to keep citizens from certain voting privileges, like voting on our Constitution. The NC is so dead set against our voting on it that its lawsuit has progressed to the Supreme Court, and has sat there for many months. It has also been said that certain members of the NC have directly contacted a couple of SC justices. Not only is that unethical, it's illegal, because it compromises the justices' and also gives the plaintiff's unfair advantages due to information they may glean in conversations. When this particular case comes before the court, any justice should recuse themselves over this.
I agree our MCN Constitution is rather vague, open to interpretation, but the NC has simply ignored even those laws that are plain as day and need no interpretation.
We citizens should have the very same rights: to petition to throw out NC members (not member), and to publicly censure NC members (not member). I'm certain you have followed the actions of certain NC members for as long as they have been on the NC, you will have found out they are hell bent to do nothing for the tribe, only to promote themselves, not caring if they're hurting the tribe (our citizens).
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to be a judge does not take all the qualification as REQUIRED, WE DO HAVE CITIZEN IN THE MUSKOGEE NATION THAT HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE TO MAKE DECISION IN THE FAMILY COURT/CRIMINAL COURT.EVEN THE STATE DOES NOT IMPOSE ALL THE ACCREDITATION FOR A JUDGE.SO MY QUESTION TO; DOES ALL THE DEGREES ANY INDIVIDUAL HAVE QUALIFY THAT PERSON TO MAKE A DECISION-MY SELF I WOULD PUT MY TRUST INTO THE 55YR.OLD VS. 30YRS OLD.WHO HAVE WALKED THE PATH LIFE.
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I agree that citizens should have the right to stand up against corruption. I also agree that the National Council should not extend its reach beyond the power granted to it under the law. However, I believe transparency of government and finance is central to the resolution of corrupt and unethical behavior. There are individuals throughout the Nation in every branch of government and every department that may or may not have engaged in unethical behavior. However,as a Citizen of the Muscogee Creek Nation, I absolutely with no doubt, believe that forensic audits are essential to transparency and are effective at unmasking criminal behavior that can go unnoticed for years on end.
Under the Muscogee Creek Nation Constitution, Art. V Section 2, the Principal Chief shall prepare the annual budget requests and supplements thereto and with the advice and consent of the National Council administer funds within the control of The Muscogee Creek Nation. Funds that belong to YOU AND ME are controlled by both the Chief and the Council, both branches have a vested interest in the proper allocation of those funds. Further, the Muscogee Creek Nation Constitution empowers the National Council to legislate on matters subject to constitutionally imposed limitations "to promote the public health and safety, education and welfare that may contribute to the social, physical well-being and economic advancement of citizens of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation", Fife v. Health Systems, 4 Okla. Trib. 319. Also, the Muscogee Creek Constitution Article V section 3, calls for involvement of the legislative branch in expenditure of funds belonging to the Nation, Preferred Mgmt. Corp v. National council, 2 Okla Trib. 37. In both of the cases the National council is charged with a fiscal responsibility to the Tribe and its citizens. Therefore it would support the idea that that National Council retains the power to request audits of funds that are expended for the benefit of tribal citizens. I believe that it was previously stated that the National Council had a "snowballs chance in hades" of obtaining records relating to the legal clinic. However, it is standard for programs to be audited, including the Court. Under Title 35, Chapter 10, the Legal Services Clinic expends monies from the Legal Services Court Cost and Publication Fees Revolving fund which would be an item under the Court's budget. Therefore as part of the regular yearly budget audit, the monies expended by the Legal Clinic should be made subject to audit and should be presented to the Council for review, see Title 26 Section 5-108, and Title 35 Section 10-110.
In response to my previous comment regarding contacting the federal government, I support citizens who are striving for unity. However, the answer to unity isn't reaching to a bureaucratic agency created to advance the idea of domestic dependent nations. Sovereignty is in direct opposition to such an idea.
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All divisions of the MCN are audited annually. My earlier comment about the NC having a snowballs chance was reference to the fact that they have no authority for receiving the records pertaining to the audit. They have the right to receive the final product, i.e. the audit findings, but nothing else. But lets call it what it is, a WITCH HUNT! The NC is flexing its muscles once again.
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This is a reality which should wake up the brains of those certain NC members who don't seem to take seriously the fact that many citizens are extremely sick of their actions, and we have reached the last straw. We have tried to do things within our tribe, but we have not been able to make any difference. We say we are tired of the wrong and corrupt things going on, with no kind of punishment, only retribution. We have cherished the idea of being able to be on our own, without the US being involved, but we have come to a point where we realize we don't make a difference as to whether the NC will change, and work for the tribe instead of against the tribe. Write those letters.
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To anonymous
you appear to be well versed in past court rulings and the MCN Constitution. You would give more credibility to your statements if like Eli Grayson you did not hide behind a pseudonym of anonymous. Let the world know where this knowledge comes from and its accuracy. Don't hide your knowledge under the shroud of secrecy you may be the person that we need to lead us out of the mess that we are in.
(VOC: It's possible that the person may already be there & trying, but always stonewalled.)
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It would serve the nation better if we all took a personal interest in the constitution and put the integrity of the council in check - its our duty as MCN employees as well as citizens abroad - We have a history of being duped and lied to - even more sickening is when our own people do it to us - the concessions being made for fraudulent behavior sets the tone of the nations future by telling our children - oh its ok to lie and steal, its expected of you - your INDIAN - (makes me sick) - Im indian, and so are my children - this is not the way I want my children to grow up thinking that sub standard morals are ok - I want my son - Im tired of being in the stores and restaurants and hearing people refer to us as dumb indians - Im sick of it - im sick of it - im sick of it
And whats really bad is when I hear it coming from tribal employees who take no more pride in themselves than a white carpetbager - sickening!!
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There are rumors that the Acting AG is actively going after the criminals that have stolen the Nation's money and is hiring an aggressive Special Prosecutor who the NC can't intimidate. Fife, Wisner, Pickering and all the others better watch out.
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As the old Eufaula Ironhead football coach was heard to say many times "Its time for some people to tighten their chin straps".
The general public is sick and tired of the politicians, their action or inaction and are 100% behind cleaning up those who have taken advantage of the lack of community control by the government foisted by the Council.
The Council's support or this abuse is an embarrassment to all Creek citizens.
A good house cleaning is certainly in order.
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"LET'S WRITE LETTERS"
While I think this is an excellent idea, I believe a "form letter" would help a great deal.
I personally have written or signed a "form letter" for several enviromental issues, saving animals, and also for the
AARP elderly issues. If the letter that an expertise had written and many people signed and sent to Congressional representative wasn't provided I don't think that many people would have responded; I know I probably wouldn't know where to start involving some issues.
If someone in our midst could provide such a letter I think we could get more letters out. What do you'll think?
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