1/28/2010 9:57 AM
VOC wrote:
New topic requested by not equal, 1/28/2010 @ 7:42AM
not equal wrote: voc please start a new subject-employee layoffs- With all the layoff rumors why do some employees get their wages paid while they go to school during work hours???? As I understood the education benefit that is provided to all tribal members you get remembersed for you tuition after you complete your studies while maintaining a specified grade average. Reply to this Reply to this
1/28/2010 3:04 PM
Anonymous wrote:
tell admin. to change policy. its in there. paid education. you too can use it. I think the real problem is we spend to much on things we dont need.
Council dont pass money for twin hills store or the depot in heneryetta. can anyone tell me what this will do for the tribe? Reply to this
1/29/2010 9:52 PM
dont worry aboout it wrote:
if and when these supposed layoffs come about there better not be one creek citizen laid off before all of the non- indians that work at the tribe and then the non-creeks next then the creeks if neccassary Reply to this
1/30/2010 9:17 AM
not equal wrote:
Thank you for the encouraging words but as I watch people like claude sumner ignore, twist , and change any of the written rules and procedures to suit his whims or cover up his tracks when he lies to the chief or hands out Big pay raises to his cronies. Nothing is fair and equal here as tribal employees the grievance procedure means nothing. Reply to this
1/31/2010 10:34 AM
mt wrote:
Here we go again on Clod Sumner, everyone knows him including the chief but the Chief must have promised him something very big to allow him to get away with all his doings. But then the chief promised alot of citizens things when he got back in office, I know he told some that there was no way they would lose there job but they did and this was all Colds & guess who (mcintosh) doing, the Chief listened to them tell him lies and let them do what they wanted to. Like it was said before how many grievances does one have to get to be let go. She has had several but still there. As long as the Chief hides behind I didn't know that and Clod didn't tell me that then nothing will change. I hope when the time comes whoever gets Chief will have their list made to get rid of Clod, Flud,Anderson, Miller, Rogers, Qualls, mcintosh and most of the people that think they are untouchable. mcintosh once said that the chief was stupid but he continues to listen to her and allow her to pull things that are not legal. Some of her departments treat people like crap because she tells them to, it is a shame that this is allowed. Those people in those dept. kiss --- all the time to her and sumner just to keep their jobs and most of them you cant tell they are Indian and you know they are not full blood like some that was laid off or fired. Solution: everyone contact your councilmen, and Good ole George and let him know what needs to be done, thats why he's back in there. mt Reply to this
2/3/2010 8:24 PM
Go Ask wrote:
Instead of layoffs why don't all employees that make $70,000 or more take a 20% pay cut???? Then there would be no need for any layoffs of creeks. Don't think so??? Go ask Claude Sumner how many employees we are talking about. Reply to this
2/6/2010 4:48 PM
Anonymous wrote:
I think the Wage and Salary Board along with the Personnel department should do their jobs and look at salaries across the board and then NORMALIZE pay for similar job functions. While a good bit of employees are grossly OVERPAID there are as many employees grossly UNDERPAID. Just because you've managed to maintain employment over a 10 or 15 year period doesn't mean you should be paid more than someone in a comparable position that is running rings around the slackards in their organization. It's a damn shame when you can make more as an administrative assistant in some organizations than you can as a technical professional in other organizations. I'm all for seeing some pay cuts, but I'm also all for seeing others fairly compensated. PERSONNEL - do your job! Reply to this
1/30/2010 10:52 AM
Anonymous wrote:
And if Creek employees are laid off first, what are you going to do about it? Do you have a plan for what you are going to do? Do you need our help? Are you just trying to instill fear or doubt in somebody by a false show strength? Reply to this
2/11/2010 6:18 AM
Power to the People wrote:
NEW TOPIC SUGGESTION: Now that the Chief has passed an executive order to set up an economic development council (made up of the upper management, of course) - I bet the citizens could start a list of suggestions on how to save money to make up some of our $60M shortfall. I'd like to hear the opinions and suggestions of the little folks down in the trenches - they're the ones that will be left holding the bag trying to implement whatever ideas this economic development brain trust comes up with. Reply to this
2/11/2010 7:53 PM
gotnoraise wrote:
I take great exception to your derogatory remark about us "little people" in the trenches. It makes me wonder if you know your *** from a hole in the ground. Us "little people" are the backbone and muscle of this cluster ____ you call a tribe. Why don't you get out out from behind your desk in your air conditioned office and come out and enjoy the great outdoors and ride one of the lawnmowers all day in the heat or maybe come out and shovel the snow it will give you much more insight into us "little folks" point of view of how this $$$ shortfall is being handled. Reply to this
2/11/2010 8:37 PM
anon wrote:
Settle down sir. That "Power to the People" is on your side. The comment is about those in their a/c offices will be making those decisions about you, the backbone & muscle (I agree) of the Creek Nation. We have always read here that the employees are who make the tribe function. You would be better off being on the side of the Chief, because whether we know it or not, he truly cares about the employees, and if money was available, you would probably get a much needed raise. I think we will find out very soon how the council is bery much against overall raises, and they think its OK for just a few to get big raises. Whenever you have such a trong feeling, we would hope you would carry your message to the proper people so they know how employees feel. Reply to this
2/12/2010 6:30 AM
Anonymous wrote:
Exactly, the point is that those in trenches have the ability to cut through the crap and get the job done no matter how many obstacles and or memos from the Executive Director's office are thrown in their way. If it were up to me - every person performing manual labor and cleaning up our offices and buildings would be the first in line for a salary increase. It is the sweat equity that keeps this boat afloat. Reply to this
2/18/2010 8:36 PM
windclantiger wrote:
For those people doing labor who you have "first in line for a salary increase"; GET AN EDUCATION OR A SKILL. You should be paid minimum wage for doing a minimum wage job. Don't penalize those who have an education by expecting them to take a pay cut because they make they type of money you WISH you made. This is another example of Creeks pulling those around them down instead of trying to better themselves. Reply to this
2/19/2010 7:36 AM
annon wrote:
TO WINDYCLantiger you don't have a clue as to what goes on at the circus. (unless you are CLAUDE THE FRAUDE just trying to cover his tracks) you can get a good raise if you are one of his suckies. I bet you never worked a day in your life, except maybe sit behind a desk and critize the working class. Reply to this
2/19/2010 7:42 AM
trenches wrote:
What about the people that are hired after the requirements for the job are lowered to match their resume so they can get hired???? Then imediately given BIG pay raises of 20% to 30% of the wage they were hired at???? Reply to this
2/19/2010 6:59 PM
windclantiger wrote:
I don't know what you're talking about. IF this has been done I'm willing to bet it was done to hire a Creek. People posting on VOC seem to think Creeks should be hired before anybody else, regardless of qualifications. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. A Creek citizen gets a job and you complain about the circumstances of their hiring. Make up your mind. And don't complain about your pay. If you can make more somewhere else; go better yourself. Maybe we can hire a Creek citizen in your place. Reply to this
2/20/2010 9:21 AM
annon wrote:
If you've got to have only creeks start with Claude the fraude he's a choctaw Quals should be the second one to hit the door Reply to this
2/19/2010 7:48 AM
w denson wrote:
what about hiring college degrees that lie about their criminal background???? Reply to this
2/12/2010 6:24 AM
Power to the People wrote:
Meant no disrespect, Gotnoraise - I AM one of the little people and my point was it's the folks that run the day to day operations that have the ability to see the trickle down effects of decisions made by those who don't implement the work at the lowest levels. My hat is off to you and all of us that keep coming into this grind every day. By the way - I didn't get a raise either. Reply to this
1/31/2010 11:05 PM
Concerned Young Adult wrote:
My concern on this topic is....Creek Nation helps citizens of the tribe go to college by awarding scholarships, which really helps most a lot. Some students finish and some don't. But what I don't understand is why the tribe pays for students to go to college, then the tribe doesn't hire them. You (tribe) helped fund the education of your citizens, but then those college degree holders end up going to work for other tribes....because you don't/won't hire them. I've seen job descriptions for job postings that say "must have a degree in ...." How many of the people that work for the tribe actually have college degrees? How many tribal members that are college graduates, have you not selected for a position, because you already have a friend/family member in mind? Finally, when members come to the tribe for education assistance, you might as well tell them, "Yes we will help you, but we won't hire you after graduation." Reply to this
2/4/2010 6:00 PM
anon wrote:
I'm talking about employees that are getting paid their wages (over $50,000/year) while they attend class at the OSU campus while driving a tribal car. Call Claude Sumner and ask how many he has personal knowledge of. All employees should apply for their wages to be paid while the go to school. Whats fair for one is fair for all. Reply to this
2/5/2010 3:07 AM
Anonymous wrote:
I agree, tell them that you will not promoted this if they come back to creek nation to work. Let them know that there are cherokee people and choctaw people that want to work for our Nation and they get the jobs. Reply to this
2/9/2010 3:45 PM
anon wrote:
How can employees of the MCN go to school and get paid their wages while attending school? Reply to this
3/3/2010 11:34 AM
anonymous wrote:
I want to know about the citizenship office staff and their big raises. While working as a precinct worker I know the election board staff has years of experience. I know one in particular who's been employeed in the election board office 20 years plus. Reply to this
3/6/2010 8:28 PM
S.O. wrote:
MCN needs someone to step in make the right decisions. Although there is a hiring freeze the same doesn't apply to health. They are still getting their big fat raises, then Flud and Chief act like they don't know what is going on. Wage & Salary is a joke because Health doesn't have to go through wage and salary and are allowed to do as they please. Don't ask Personnel for help because Chief makes all the decisions for them also, Mr. Anderson is just trying to keep his job. Personel is keeping quiet because they are all white and making sure they keep their jobs. The Controller doesn't know what is going on, Kathy Guthrie calls all the shots. Now Who is running MCN Reply to this
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3/8/2010 7:51 PM
Willow wrote:
REALLY???? Because I work for health. If you read the memo correctly, it states that the freeze IS in effect for health unless "it is a matter of health and safety". Having a shortage of health care providers is DEFINITELY detrimental to the health and saftey of those who use our facilities. SO, to that end, the freeze does not apply. ALL departments under health have been required to trim 10% of their budgets like everyone else. And who the hell in health got a raise???? We didn't even get a COLA adjustment, and were told not expect one next year either. Please feel free to cite your sources as you sound as if you are just grinding your ax minus any real ground to stand on.
To VOC: just curious, if someone did have documentation to back up their claims, how to they get it to you for you to scan in or post?
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3/10/2010 12:07 PM
anonymous wrote:
Tell me what are all these people going to do when A.D. is gone, all those whites just might be walking out the door and those whites in personel think that they are above everyone and look down on indians out there, one is always gone and no one is trained to do her job but she acts like she is top dog, her and her tag along can't speak or walk without stumbing because their nose is so up in the air, just because her husband makes big bucks and she does to what goes up must come down, the new chief may not want them there. If Kathy Guthrie is calling the shots what is pee wee herman doing? I agree Wage and Salary is a joke, look who is on there.What about the people that have been working for the tribe many years and then have to re-apply for their positions, how could they put someone else in that postion when the one that has been doing it for over 15 years has handled it all this time, the nation is a joke. Solution: It can't be soon enough for the new Chief election and Perry Anderson should be the first to go, then Sumner, McIntosh, Pee-Wee Herman, Qualls, Woody Anderson, bottom line is A.D. you have allowed these people to be the laughing stock of american indians.mt Reply to this
New topic requested by not equal, 1/28/2010 @ 7:42AM
not equal wrote:
voc please start a new subject-employee layoffs- With all the layoff rumors why do some employees get their wages paid while they go to school during work hours???? As I understood the education benefit that is provided to all tribal members you get remembersed for you tuition after you complete your studies while maintaining a specified grade average.
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tell admin. to change policy. its in there. paid education. you too can use it. I think the real problem is we spend to much on things we dont need.
Council dont pass money for twin hills store or the depot in heneryetta. can anyone tell me what this will do for the tribe?
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if and when these supposed layoffs come about there better not be one creek citizen laid off before all of the non- indians that work at the tribe and then the non-creeks next then the creeks if neccassary
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Thank you for the encouraging words but as I watch people like claude sumner ignore, twist , and change any of the written rules and procedures to suit his whims or cover up his tracks when he lies to the chief or hands out Big pay raises to his cronies. Nothing is fair and equal here as tribal employees the grievance procedure means nothing.
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Here we go again on Clod Sumner, everyone knows him including the chief but the Chief must have promised him something very big to allow him to get away with all his doings. But then the chief promised alot of citizens things when he got back in office, I know he told some that there was no way they would lose there job but they did and this was all Colds & guess who (mcintosh) doing, the Chief listened to them tell him lies and let them do what they wanted to. Like it was said before how many grievances does one have to get to be let go. She has had several but still there. As long as the Chief hides behind I didn't know that and Clod didn't tell me that then nothing will change. I hope when the time comes whoever gets Chief will have their list made to get rid of Clod, Flud,Anderson, Miller, Rogers, Qualls, mcintosh and most of the people that think they are untouchable. mcintosh once said that the chief was stupid but he continues to listen to her and allow her to pull things that are not legal. Some of her departments treat people like crap because she tells them to, it is a shame that this is allowed. Those people in those dept. kiss --- all the time to her and sumner just to keep their jobs and most of them you cant tell they are Indian and you know they are not full blood like some that was laid off or fired. Solution: everyone contact your councilmen, and Good ole George and let him know what needs to be done, thats why he's back in there. mt
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Instead of layoffs why don't all employees that make $70,000 or more take a 20% pay cut???? Then there would be no need for any layoffs of creeks. Don't think so??? Go ask Claude Sumner how many employees we are talking about.
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I think the Wage and Salary Board along with the Personnel department should do their jobs and look at salaries across the board and then NORMALIZE pay for similar job functions. While a good bit of employees are grossly OVERPAID there are as many employees grossly UNDERPAID. Just because you've managed to maintain employment over a 10 or 15 year period doesn't mean you should be paid more than someone in a comparable position that is running rings around the slackards in their organization. It's a damn shame when you can make more as an administrative assistant in some organizations than you can as a technical professional in other organizations. I'm all for seeing some pay cuts, but I'm also all for seeing others fairly compensated. PERSONNEL - do your job!
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And if Creek employees are laid off first, what are you going to do about it? Do you have a plan for what you are going to do? Do you need our help? Are you just trying to instill fear or doubt in somebody by a false show strength?
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NEW TOPIC SUGGESTION: Now that the Chief has passed an executive order to set up an economic development council (made up of the upper management, of course) - I bet the citizens could start a list of suggestions on how to save money to make up some of our $60M shortfall. I'd like to hear the opinions and suggestions of the little folks down in the trenches - they're the ones that will be left holding the bag trying to implement whatever ideas this economic development brain trust comes up with.
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I take great exception to your derogatory remark about us "little people" in the trenches. It makes me wonder if you know your *** from a hole in the ground. Us "little people" are the backbone and muscle of this cluster ____ you call a tribe. Why don't you get out out from behind your desk in your air conditioned office and come out and enjoy the great outdoors and ride one of the lawnmowers all day in the heat or maybe come out and shovel the snow it will give you much more insight into us "little folks" point of view of how this $$$ shortfall is being handled.
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Settle down sir. That "Power to the People" is on your side. The comment is about those in their a/c offices will be making those decisions about you, the backbone & muscle (I agree) of the Creek Nation. We have always read here that the employees are who make the tribe function. You would be better off being on the side of the Chief, because whether we know it or not, he truly cares about the employees, and if money was available, you would probably get a much needed raise. I think we will find out very soon how the council is bery much against overall raises, and they think its OK for just a few to get big raises. Whenever you have such a trong feeling, we would hope you would carry your message to the proper people so they know how employees feel.
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Exactly, the point is that those in trenches have the ability to cut through the crap and get the job done no matter how many obstacles and or memos from the Executive Director's office are thrown in their way. If it were up to me - every person performing manual labor and cleaning up our offices and buildings would be the first in line for a salary increase. It is the sweat equity that keeps this boat afloat.
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For those people doing labor who you have "first in line for a salary increase"; GET AN EDUCATION OR A SKILL. You should be paid minimum wage for doing a minimum wage job. Don't penalize those who have an education by expecting them to take a pay cut because they make they type of money you WISH you made. This is another example of Creeks pulling those around them down instead of trying to better themselves.
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TO WINDYCLantiger you don't have a clue as to what goes on at the circus. (unless you are CLAUDE THE FRAUDE just trying to cover his tracks) you can get a good raise if you are one of his suckies. I bet you never worked a day in your life, except maybe sit behind a desk and critize the working class.
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What about the people that are hired after the requirements for the job are lowered to match their resume so they can get hired???? Then imediately given BIG pay raises of 20% to 30% of the wage they were hired at????
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I don't know what you're talking about. IF this has been done I'm willing to bet it was done to hire a Creek. People posting on VOC seem to think Creeks should be hired before anybody else, regardless of qualifications. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. A Creek citizen gets a job and you complain about the circumstances of their hiring. Make up your mind. And don't complain about your pay. If you can make more somewhere else; go better yourself. Maybe we can hire a Creek citizen in your place.
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If you've got to have only creeks start with Claude the fraude he's a choctaw Quals should be the second one to hit the door
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what about hiring college degrees that lie about their criminal background????
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Meant no disrespect, Gotnoraise - I AM one of the little people and my point was it's the folks that run the day to day operations that have the ability to see the trickle down effects of decisions made by those who don't implement the work at the lowest levels. My hat is off to you and all of us that keep coming into this grind every day. By the way - I didn't get a raise either.
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My concern on this topic is....Creek Nation helps citizens of the tribe go to college by awarding scholarships, which really helps most a lot. Some students finish and some don't. But what I don't understand is why the tribe pays for students to go to college, then the tribe doesn't hire them. You (tribe) helped fund the education of your citizens, but then those college degree holders end up going to work for other tribes....because you don't/won't hire them. I've seen job descriptions for job postings that say "must have a degree in ...." How many of the people that work for the tribe actually have college degrees? How many tribal members that are college graduates, have you not selected for a position, because you already have a friend/family member in mind? Finally, when members come to the tribe for education assistance, you might as well tell them, "Yes we will help you, but we won't hire you after graduation."
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I'm talking about employees that are getting paid their wages (over $50,000/year) while they attend class at the OSU campus while driving a tribal car. Call Claude Sumner and ask how many he has personal knowledge of. All employees should apply for their wages to be paid while the go to school. Whats fair for one is fair for all.
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I agree, tell them that you will not promoted this if they come back to creek nation to work. Let them know that there are cherokee people and choctaw people that want to work for our Nation and they get the jobs.
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How can employees of the MCN go to school and get paid their wages while attending school?
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Call CLAUDE SUMNER and ask him. He approved of it.
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I want to know about the citizenship office staff and their big raises. While working as a precinct worker I know the election board staff has years of experience. I know one in particular who's been employeed in the election board office 20 years plus.
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MCN needs someone to step in make the right decisions. Although there is a hiring freeze the same doesn't apply to health. They are still getting their big fat raises, then Flud and Chief act like they don't know what is going on. Wage & Salary is a joke because Health doesn't have to go through wage and salary and are allowed to do as they please. Don't ask Personnel for help because Chief makes all the decisions for them also, Mr. Anderson is just trying to keep his job. Personel is keeping quiet because they are all white and making sure they keep their jobs. The Controller doesn't know what is going on, Kathy Guthrie calls all the shots. Now Who is running MCN
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It's not the Chief
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REALLY???? Because I work for health. If you read the memo correctly, it states that the freeze IS in effect for health unless "it is a matter of health and safety". Having a shortage of health care providers is DEFINITELY detrimental to the health and saftey of those who use our facilities. SO, to that end, the freeze does not apply. ALL departments under health have been required to trim 10% of their budgets like everyone else. And who the hell in health got a raise???? We didn't even get a COLA adjustment, and were told not expect one next year either. Please feel free to cite your sources as you sound as if you are just grinding your ax minus any real ground to stand on.
To VOC: just curious, if someone did have documentation to back up their claims, how to they get it to you for you to scan in or post?
(VOC: As we have stated previously, we aren't too computer savy, so at this time, it can only be posted as a comment.)
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Tell me what are all these people going to do when A.D. is gone, all those whites just might be walking out the door and those whites in personel think that they are above everyone and look down on indians out there, one is always gone and no one is trained to do her job but she acts like she is top dog, her and her tag along can't speak or walk without stumbing because their nose is so up in the air, just because her husband makes big bucks and she does to what goes up must come down, the new chief may not want them there. If Kathy Guthrie is calling the shots what is pee wee herman doing? I agree Wage and Salary is a joke, look who is on there.What about the people that have been working for the tribe many years and then have to re-apply for their positions, how could they put someone else in that postion when the one that has been doing it for over 15 years has handled it all this time, the nation is a joke. Solution: It can't be soon enough for the new Chief election and Perry Anderson should be the first to go, then Sumner, McIntosh, Pee-Wee Herman, Qualls, Woody Anderson, bottom line is A.D. you have allowed these people to be the laughing stock of american indians.mt
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